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Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 12:10 AM  

What's in your ideal recovery kit?  Ideal being the balance between carrying what you'll need/use and leaving heavy/bulky items at home that will rarely if ever be used (or that can be improvised in the field).

The situations to prepare for vary based on the environment of each particular trip, but in general I'm preparing for:

  • Self recovery - Winching forward w/ tree/rock w/thin 100'
  • Self recovery - Winching in reverse w/ winch on front
  • Self reovery - High Centered
  • Self recovery - slipping off road towards downhill side or deep ditch
  • Stuck w/ no trees/rocks to anchor to
  • Tree across road/trail (E.g. blew down while sleeping and is blocking road).

My kit currently has the following well-used equipment:

  • Front/rear recovery points on my truck
  • Winch w/ 125' of 26k lb winch rope and a shackle on the end.
  • Tree strap
  • 20' recovery chain with grab hooks
  • Snatch block / pulley
  • 3 D shackles
  • Gloves
  • Shovel
  • Hi lift jack
  • Hi life jack repair kit
  • Winch rope repair kit
  • Chainsaw - but need more practice w/ it to be comfortable
  • Axe
  • Gloves
  • Hi-lift jack base
  • Rud 4x4 grip tire chains for all 4 wheels

I'm considering adding:

  • Several pulleys for self recovery backwards
  • Recovery/Snatch strap - I should have had one of these ages ago.
  • Replacing the chain with a winchline.com "Rock Strap" - much lighter than the heavy chain I carry now, but the chain has broader use.
  • Leaving the hi-lift at home and carrying a bottle jack w/ hi-lift jack base
  • Jate rings to my sliders
  • Pull-pal or equivilent (E.g a 4x4 post, gree tree trunk, or spare half-shafts and a shovel can accomplish the same thing)
  • 35-50 ft. rope extension

 



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20 Apr 2009 08:13 AM  
Jate rings on the sliders? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most D2 sliders mounted on the sills and not connected to the frame?

Are you thinking of a situation where you would use the jate rings to somehow move the vehicle sideways? My gut tells me that this is a bad idea.


Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 08:20 AM  

Yes, my RTE sliders are attached to the sills.

I'd never winch a vehicle sideways with the force vector perpendicular to the tires regardless of where the winch was attached; that's just stupid. I would stabilize a vehicle about ready to flop with a slider. The most common scenario being that the vehicle has slid into a ditch and is being winched forward/backwards but needs a little extra stabilization.

You make an interesting point though.  Maybe I should put a Jate ring/recovery point near the factory tie-down that's on the frame now.  This factory tie-down is located just behind the radius arm bracket on the frame.

 



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20 Apr 2009 10:01 AM  
I agree with Mike-using the sliders for any kind of stabilization as you describe would fail. If you tied them into the frame then you'd probably be golden. I think your second idea is a good one.



Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 01:34 PM  

The sliders are strong enough to jack the entire side of the truck up. They also sandwich the entire sill of the truck and the force would be going perpendicular to the sill.  They aren't going to suddenly fail because I'm using them to put the force of 2 grown men (if-that) on them to keep the truck from flopping. Most of the weight of the truck will be on the downhill side wheels (the wheels in the ditch), not on the slider being used to stabilize the truck.  We're only talking here about keeping the truck on the good side of the tipping point.

Again, I'd NEVER winch the truck sideways.

 

If I was trying to keep the truck from sliding down a cliff, I'd need a frame mounted recovery point for sure.  In that case, I'd run two separate lines off the front/rear of the truck though.

 

Soo... how about we get back to the subject of the optimal recovery kit.  Carrying what you need w/o carrying too much.  What do you carry and why? What would you add/remove from your kit to "tune" it.



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20 Apr 2009 02:08 PM  
It's not the strength of the sliders-it's the sill that's the weak point. As for spare parts, I just cannibalize another D2


Mike RuppUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 02:49 PM  
One thing I want is a set of waffle boards. The entire winching session on Darland Mountain could have been eliminated. I used to think they were the ultimate poser add on, but not anymore.


Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 02:53 PM  
Having given it some thought, I'm going to keep the Hi-lift and leave the pull-pal out of my kit. If I get stuck someplace with no trees I'll dig a trench with a 45 degree angle back towards the truck to lay my hi-lift in. Then dig another trench from the truck to the hi-lift for the winch cable to lay in and winch off the hi-lift. I don't offroad enough in Sandy/tree-less areas to justify the purchase of a Pull-pal and I don't want to carry it.


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20 Apr 2009 03:16 PM  

I have heard of people bringing a boat anchor rather than the expense of a pull-pal. but it seems like it woul dbe hard to store.

I think the Pull-pal (or anchor) would be great if travelling by yourself in treeless areas, but if you have a rig to anchor too, may be a bit much. Worse case you can bury a spare tire or the high lift.

has anyone used the three stakes driven into the ground method? 

 



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20 Apr 2009 04:22 PM  

I carry the same stuff you do, Craig, but in a little more quantity.  Extra snatch straps, two snatch blocks, an ARB winch line extension (it's a little wider than rope, doesn't stretch like a snatch strap and will hopefully be better for wrapping around rocks), five 3/4" shackles and a forged aluminum come-along (Jet or other brand) with an extra 100' of 3/8" wire rope (or winch rope in your case).  Unlike the pickup and the Wrangler my Bronco II does not have a winch so in addition to the other stuff I carry a 6,000# (double-line pull) More Power Puller.  I leave the tire chains at home unless I think there will be a need for them.  I seldom travel alone so other than the snatch straps, shackles and an occasional need for a snatch block, most of my retrieval gear goes unused...thank goodness.

Oh, by the way, I think a boat anchor might work.  Unfortunately whether it is a boat anchor or a Pull-Pal most soils in shrub-steppe and other tree-barren areas are hard and rocky, not the best for getting a solid bite.  Also very poor conditions for burying a Hi-Lift Jack or spare tire.

In that regard I wonder if you attached all your available cables, snatch straps, extensions and whatever else you can tie together and wrap the conglomeration behind several sagebrush plants, whether it would be strong enough to winch your vehicle without uprooting the plants.



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20 Apr 2009 04:44 PM  
Not much to add…perhaps a few more shackles and another pair of gloves as they are often nicked by unscrupulous tree gnomes.

That rock strap thingee is a bit dear at $150 – are there any advantages to it other than weight? If not, you might reconsider as there may be advantages to the chain you already own: it’s easy to clean, can be shortened up quickly (assuming you have the proper hooks on each end), won't abrade when you use it to skid logs off the trail, works sweet when you use your Hi-Lift as a come-along, it’s paid for, and best of all, you can pretend you're the ghost of Jacob Marley when you pull it out of your recovery kit bag. Just a thought.


Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 05:04 PM  
Your right Jerry... the columnar basalt that is so prevelantly mixed in with the loess in the Eastern, WA shrub-step ecoregion absolutely stinks to dig in. Todd's stake idea might work best there. I'll have to start carrying some of those carnival tent stakes around with me.

Davis - The chain is definately functional, but it weighs a ton, takes up a lot of room, and I hate carrying it. I have it stored in the back of my recovery drawer right over the rear axle but I'd like to lighten up my load where possible. Maybe I can figure out a way to store it on the front brushguard instead of in the cargo area.

Yeah, I carry several D-shackles, several pairs of gloves, and only carry the chains when I think I might need them (all the time in winter). I've made the mistake of taking the chains out too early in the spring once already. Wish I would have had them on our Funny Rocks trip in the early spring. We hit a ton of snow/mud and they would have been a huge help.

Craig


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20 Apr 2009 05:26 PM  
I have the Come along kit for the hi-lft. Works pretty sweet. The bag that it came with is big enough to hold my chains and extra tree saver strap. I store mine under the front passenger seat in the Jackaroo. Sit's there nice....I would say Craig that a snatch strap be your next addition...The ARB one is great and amazes me everytime I get to use it.


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20 Apr 2009 06:31 PM  

Thought this was interesting...I would think the time it took you to set this up, either your rig would sink or the mud hole would dry up enough to just drive out.....www.youtube.com/watch



Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 07:46 PM  

That basic concept is in the Army Recovery manual in our library. No *kit* required. Just wheels with holes in them and a lugnut wrench or other reasonably long piece of metal.  The Army method has you running the rope in the backside of the rim, then hooking it on to a piece of metal to keep it from coming back through the wheel.  Works with the front or back wheels in forward or reverse, so you can winch forward or backward.

 

I'd like to try it sometime with an old piece of rope just to see how badly everything would get snarled up.... or if I'm lucky, work great.  I like the idea of being able to winch backward in a pinch w/o having to rig up a bunch of pulleys or install a rear facing winch.

Craig



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20 Apr 2009 07:53 PM  
Posted By Jerry Horn on 04/20/2009 4:22 PM

In that regard I wonder if you attached all your available cables, snatch straps, extensions and whatever else you can tie together and wrap the conglomeration behind several sagebrush plants, whether it would be strong enough to winch your vehicle without uprooting the plants.

 

That's pretty funny Jerry. That's kind of like having a stack of self-help books tall enough to jump off of so you don't need any more self-help books ever again. ;-P


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20 Apr 2009 10:30 PM  
I tend to be a minimalist with recovery equipment:

20' strap, can also be used as a tree strap
3 d-rings
snatch block
winch controller (duh!) I actually forgot this once and really needed it...
gloves
shovel
ax (sometimes), hatchet always

My dislike of the hi-lift jack is well documented so I'll keep quiet!


Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 11:10 PM  
Larry,

I agree in minimalist recovery equipment. That's actually why I started this thread. I want less weight and bulky recovery items in the truck. I'm looking for ways to pear things down a bit w/o losing the function.

Do you use winch rope or cable? I use a tree strap because I was told that it doesn't store energy like a recovery strap does. Have you had a rope break while using the tree strap? What sort of recoil did it have? I'd love to carry just one strap that I can use for snatching and as a tree strap.



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21 Apr 2009 08:09 AM  
I have winch rope. Your assessment is correct though, I usually wrap the tree strap around the tree multiple times to try and prevent said energy.

I've actually seen both a rope and cable break in person, this is why I run winch rope. I also replace it about every 2-3 years as if they're used much they do wear out.

One thing I would consider adding at some point is a winch rope extension. They can definitely come in handy.

One other thing, I have a huge hook on my rope so I don't have to use a D-ring if I don't want to. It will clip right over the loops on straps.


Craig MillerUser is Offline
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21 Apr 2009 08:24 AM  
I've seen both break as well. The cable almost hit me (friend's Jeep in college). The winch rope made a lot of noise but hardly recoiled at all (Andy's). I'll probably carry both a recovery strap and tree strap, or replace the tree strap and chain with a rock strap.

I think I'll save the innermost 50-75ft section of rope off my existing winch rope when I replace it. That section has seen the least mud/rocks/dirt and should work well. I've needed extra rope in the past and was glad others had a section in their kit.

I agree on the hook. I used to have a hook, but per dweeb advice replaced it with a winchline.com Safety shackle. The safety shackle makes storing the winchline easier, but requires a D shackle to use. Having used both, I'm going back to a hook when I replace this winchline.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.



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