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Craig MillerUser is Offline
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20 Apr 2009 08:48 PM  

My wife has a 98 RAV4 that has been having some sort of fuel starvation problem (we think) on/off again for the past year or so.  It happens most frequently when it is really cold outside, or at least in the morning when the engine has been sitting for a while.

Car starts, and continues to run as long as she is giving it gas.  As soon as she lets up on the gas, it dies.  This happens once every 3-4 months. 

About a year ago, we had what seems to be a related problem where it was completely starved of fuel and woudl either be under powered or die completely.  At that time we replaced the fuel filter, plugs, and wires then to get a good baseline.  This seemed to help the problem some.

 

I'm thinking fuel pump, and my description of the problem probably favors that pre-diagnosis.  Any suggestions on how to proceed with the diagnosis?  The intermittent nature of the problem is driving me nuts.

Craig

 

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20 Apr 2009 09:15 PM  
You've just got to give up on those Japanese imports and get your wife a Rover!

Well, it's worth a try....

Your diagnosis does sound about right. When mine went in the Rover it got worse and worse, and then with a plug, wire, and fuel filter change it got much better, but was still bad. It may be that it is going down in a different way than the Rover pumps do, in fits and starts instead of just a slow agonizing death.
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20 Apr 2009 09:16 PM  
Craig, I have no idea what the RAV4 engine is like, but I had a similar thing in the Disco. My truck wouldn't run at idle at all. As soon as I stepped on the gas, it ran fine. The stepper motor was gunked up and wouldn't function properly. Everything was fine after I cleaned it up. You might want to see if there is a similar setup on the RAV4 engine.
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20 Apr 2009 11:30 PM  
Thanks Mike. I'll check it out.
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20 Apr 2009 11:40 PM  
It has an Idle Control Valve (ICV) that sounds like the same thing. I'll see if I can get a workshop manual and find a way to clean it later this week.

Thanks for the tip Mike.

Craig
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21 Apr 2009 07:47 AM  

Craig- I think you're on the right track. Also possible throttle position sensor.
Below refers to 22RE motors mostly yet may be applicable to yours as well.

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/TPS/index.shtml

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22 Apr 2009 04:21 PM  

Where's the best place to get a Toyota manual and aftermarket parts?

I don't *EVER* want to hear that Land Rover parts are expensive from a Toyota guy again... the workshop manual was 2x what my Land Rover manual cost me.  Granted, the parts my be worth it since they actually last a while. 

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22 Apr 2009 05:20 PM  

TRDparts4u.com

Craig MillerUser is Offline
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22 Apr 2009 06:54 PM  
Are the Toyota Repair manuals available online anywhere?
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22 Apr 2009 07:07 PM  
The big difference between a Toyota and a Land Rover is that the Toyota rarely needs fixing. Just think of the differences in economies of scale between Land Rover parts and Toyota parts.

Good luck on fixing it.
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22 Apr 2009 08:25 PM  
Posted By Craig Miller on 04/22/2009 6:54 PM
Are the Toyota Repair manuals available online anywhere?



Craig- I only know of a few Toyota truck FSM (Factory Service Manuals) online- at places like: http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/

I do not know of any for the RAV, some cross over may exist. I have no knowledge of the RAV at all. Sorry!

Craig MillerUser is Offline
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22 Apr 2009 08:29 PM  
No worries Grant. Thanks for trying to help. I'll pick one up eBay.

Craig
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23 Apr 2009 12:47 AM  

I have not used it but for $10 you can get temporary access (24 hrs) to Toyota Repair Manuals.

TIS

You might want to take a look if nothing shows up on ebay.

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22 May 2009 07:31 PM  
Now mind you I am referring to older Toyota 22re engines...But Toyota just love to install all sorts of sensors, and when one goes south you can litteraly pull your hair out in figuring it out. Now unlike a rover I dont think throw a code up saying something is wrong, you may have to have a code reader put on it to pull the codes and see if that can give you a place to start or possibly an answer. The cool thing is Toyota mostly keeps the engine simple and with a manual you would be able to fix most sensor problems your self.

Best of luck, and when you feel the rage coming on....Just walk away ;)

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22 May 2009 07:55 PM  

Any OBDII based vehicle will have the same set of emissions related sensors. The 98 Toyota and 99 Land Rover work exactly the same way w/ regard to sensors. There aren't any codes being thrown right now, so it isn't an emissions (OBDII) related problem. Toyotas and Land Rovers use the same OBDII protocol, so I can and do use the same ISO OBDII reader on the Toyota as I use on the Land Rover.

I think there is a misunderstanding related to Land Rover. Land Rover engines are simple vehicles. The basic engine design is from a mid-60s Buick. The Land Rover is easier to work on because there is so much more room under the hood. You can fix a Land Rover engine with nothing more than a manual and a code reader too.

Craig

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26 May 2009 05:49 PM  
We've got an awesome Toyota mechanic on PSTOC.org sn Rix86. Lemme see if I can get some ideas for you. Though it'd probably be best for you to get somewhere you can have dialogue with him yourself instead.
Craig MillerUser is Offline
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26 May 2009 06:11 PM  
I have a few ideas now. I just need to spend some time with the car. I'll let you know if I'm stuck though.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

Craig
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27 May 2009 12:38 PM  
Cool. General idea was scan it. Need more input
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28 May 2009 11:59 AM  
IAC/ISC/whatever toyota calls it.

classic symptom is sticking when cold and dies when foot removed from throttle.


i literally replaced 50+ last winter

steve (8 years ford drivability tech)
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28 May 2009 01:34 PM  
What do IAC/ISC stand for? I'm thinking the problem is the Idle Control Valve. Is this what you are referring to, or something different?

Of course, since it's warm, my wife isn't complaining so I'm not fixing it. Next winter it will get cold, the problem will resurface and I won't want to work on the car outside. I really should fix this now.
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