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Andy HoughUser is Offline
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22 Apr 2009 09:13 AM  

So, I need to pose this question to our various Rover V8 guru's.....  I have some valve noise that happens intermittently with my Disco.  I have the 4.0 V8.  ODO claims 107,000 miles, but actual engine/trans/chassis mileage is unknown.  I got it with about 80k on the ODO, and up until now the engine has been running like a top, smooth as silk, aside from the massive oil leak.  It leaks oil from the valve covers badly, and I think it is leaking around the intake manifold as well, but I am not sure.  Too much grease and junk on the outside of the motor to be sure.  Anyway, on to more details about the sounds it makes.

On cold start I get some light tapping, which is normal considering at startup you have no oil pressure; these are hydraulic lifters right?  After a few moments the low oil pressure light on the dash goes out and the tapping sound quickly disappears.  Warm starts do not exibit this as much, but there is a lot more oil in the upper portions of the motor on warm starts.  In town driving at normal operating tempature does not produce any tapping, however after about 10 minutes on the highway at 65mph I begin to get tapping, which will slowly get worse the longer I drive at speed.  If I pull off the highway and go back to surface streets the tapping will almost disappear again.  On very hot days, sometimes I get the oil light blinking a little if I come off the highway and stop at the bottom of the ramp.  In late summer the oil light will sometimes blink at idle while city driving as well, but it has never come on if the engine is over 800rpm, it will only blink at 750rpm or lower.  I can hold the light off if I apply just enough pressure to the accelerator to pull the engine RPM up just a bit.  To me, this sounds like the oil pump is not holding pressure while being driven at speed, or the oil is getting too hot, thinning out too much, and the pump just can't keep up.

Any thoughts?  I hope to get at least one more year out of this truck before anything major happens, and I can reduce it's driving down to just to/from work if I have to, but it would be very difficult as the eclipse is just too small for the whole family.

Yes, I have checked the oil level and it is full.

I am concered that I may have damaged the oil pump or the components that drive the pump last december when it was very cold.  I had a couple mornings where it was 16F and I had to start the thing, and it made weird sounds, like the oil was extreamly thick and the pump was having trouble moving it.  I don't know if Rovers use a high pressure low volume or a low pressure high volume oiling system.  My old Ford truck is a low pressure high volume system, so I generally don't get more than 6 PSI of oil system pressure in that truck when it is warm, but that's OK (but not great, could be a bit higher) because of how the system works.  My engine knowlage is limited to older Ford and Chevy engines, which generally have a hex shaft that drives the oil pump off the bottom of the distributor, however my Rover doesn't have a distributor so I do not know how the oil pump is driven.

I have reason to suspect that my flame trap may be fully clogged and not venting the engine properly, but I don't think that all of this is related to that, but I can't be sure.  I plan to do the PCV valve conversion as soon as I can, but that has not been completed yet.  I was going to combine valve cover gaskets and the PCV conversion into one project since I will have one cover off anyway.

Would installing a different or additional, oil cooler help this?  I don't really have the time or funding for an engine rebuild, but I could, fairly easily, install an additional oil cooler using some cast off parts from one of my uncles race cars.  I am fairly sure that the oil cooler is built into the radiator, so the oil would never be any cooler than the water temp, which is about 180F.  I could completly bypass the stock cooler and install a new one below the transmission cooler infront of the radiator, or cut the cooler lines after the radiator cooler and add the secondary cooler, which should keep the oil at a lower temp than it is now, resulting in a bit more viscosity, which may help the engine maintain pressure........

   



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22 Apr 2009 09:33 AM  
Did you change out the oil pressure switch yet?


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22 Apr 2009 09:40 AM  
oil pressure switch? Can you elaborate?


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22 Apr 2009 09:52 AM  
Do you mean this? No, I have not done this yet, I wasn't aware of it.

I am going to assume by underbelly panel they mean oil pan..........

Switch - oil pressure
$%12.60.50

Remove
1. Release fixings and remove battery cover.
2. Disconnect battery earth lead.
3. Raise front of vehicle.

WARNING: Do not work on or under a vehicle supported only by a jack. Always support the vehicle on safety stands.

4. Remove fixings and remove underbelly panel.
5. Disconnect multiplug from oil pressure switch.
6. Position container below switch to catch oil spillage.
7. Remove oil pressure switch and discard sealing washer.

Refit
1. Clean oil pressure switch threads.
2. Fit new sealing washer to switch.
3. Fit oil pressure switch and tighten to 15 Nm (11 lbf.ft).
4. Connect multiplug to oil pressure switch.
5. Fit underbelly panel and secure with fixings.
6. Remove stand(s) and lower vehicle.
7. Connect battery earth lead.
8. Fit battery cover and retain with fixings.
9. Top up engine oil.


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22 Apr 2009 01:43 PM  
I think it would be a good idea to install a mechanical oil pressure gauge, since I have no idea what my oil pressure actually is, other than sometimes it's below ~4.5 to 5 PSI, seeing as the warning light will illuminate at around that pressure.

I like mechanical guages.


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22 Apr 2009 02:11 PM  
Wow, that thing is tiny!

I wonder if I can get one locally.

I will have to crawl around under the truck and see if I can find that little bugger.


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22 Apr 2009 02:14 PM  
I should see at least 30 PSI while hot at 2000 RPM. I want to add a mechanical guage I think.


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22 Apr 2009 03:44 PM  
Posted By Andy Hough on 04/22/2009 2:11 PM
Wow, that thing is tiny!

I wonder if I can get one locally.

I will have to crawl around under the truck and see if I can find that little bugger.


Call Autosport Seattle, They might be able to get one here in a day.

 

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22 Apr 2009 03:46 PM  
Thanks for the help Dan, I really appreciate it.


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24 Apr 2009 08:42 AM  
So, after talking to folks, talking to mechanics and looking at stuff at the auto parts store I think I have a plan to resolve this issue.

I am going to do the valve cover gaskets myself as soon as I can. During this process I am going to convert to a new crank case breather system. I am making a minor deviation from the write-up that Scott W. did; Rather than go to a PCV valve, I am simply going to use the generic type of push-in breather.
I feel in the interests of sanity, time and everything else I will farm out the front cover gasket to Biggs. I think this is most critical to have done as it directly affects oil pressure and has the most impact on the overall function of the engine.


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27 Apr 2009 08:56 AM  
Got an appointment with Biggs on Wednesday to do the front cover seal. Valve cover seals will be done soon after at my dad's place. He has air tools.


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29 Apr 2009 08:40 AM  
Biggs now has my Rover. Lets hope they don't find anything unexpected!


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29 Apr 2009 03:32 PM  
I just got off the phone with the Biggs. They drove the truck and they aren't sure that it is the front cover that is the problem, they think it is either the oil pickup tube (either clogged or not properly attached) or the oil pump itself being worn out and having too much of a gap between the gears to maintain pressure. No charges for the time they did spend with it today, but nothing has been fixed. He said I should drop the oil pan and check the pickup tube first. This I can do myself in the driveway. If the pickup tube is OK and not clogged then the oil pump prolly needs replacement. He didn't want to just do the front cover for nothing, since that would cost me and he doesn't think that's the issue, so I am going to go after the pickup tube myself. I basically need to block off Sundays to work on the Rover until I get this resolved, because I can't really drive the truck in this state. *sigh*


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29 Apr 2009 05:38 PM  
So, who knows what oil pan gasket I can get. When you go to the local parts store and tell them you have a Land Rover, they look at you sidways, then generally say "No parts found". So, I see I can get a gasket online, but to get it here by the weekend would turn a $9 part into a $30 part, which is not really OK, and I would like to avoid the dealer, and not have to cut it myself. But if it comes down to it, I'll make it myself.


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29 Apr 2009 05:45 PM  
The dealer says no gasket, just RTV. I say OK!


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29 Apr 2009 07:16 PM  
I used Right Stuff. If I remember correctly, it came in a small tube that looked like a tube of caulk.


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29 Apr 2009 07:58 PM  
I think Dan just reccomended AutoSports Seattle or something like that in another thread where someone was fixing their D90... Maybe try there.



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29 Apr 2009 09:08 PM  
x2 on Right Stuff. It is kind of expensive (it seems) but it works well and there is a surprising amount in those little bottles. You can use it on all kinds of stuff; it's what I used on the oil pan and the 3rd member. I bet there is some someplace on my t-case, too.

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29 Apr 2009 09:09 PM  
Awesome, thanks everyone.
I like it when things are easy.
I have experience with Permatex products so I have no doubts this stuff will work as expected.
Hopefully I will be able to do this over the weekend, I will let you know what I find out.


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