Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 26 May 2009 01:47 PM |
| What are the implications of using a Deep Cell Marine battery as a single main battery? This, of course, is with the full understanding that a proper off-road battery like Optima or one of the others would be the preferrable methood whether using a dual or single set up. I don't yet have a need for two batteries, but I do have an old tired standard battery in there right now which looses voltage pretty quickly after shut-down; and I have a nice "new" deep cycle marine battery sitting in my garage... doing nothing. |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 26 May 2009 01:59 PM |
| By the way, I don't think I really labeled the battery right -- Not sure of the actual specs right off the top of my head, but it is a "Marine" battery. |
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Larry Grubbs
 Advanced Member Posts:576
 | | 26 May 2009 02:20 PM |
| If this is something like the "Blue top" from Optima I don't think there are any problems. I think Craig may actually be running a Marine Battery in his truck. |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
 | | 26 May 2009 03:13 PM |
| There's no such thing as a "marine" battery... it's all marketing hype. My blue top is identical to a yellow top, except it has the accessory posts on the top instead of the side. The battery inside is the same.
There are deep cycle batteries like a blue/yellow top and there are starter batteries. Starter batteries, like a red top, have higher amps, but don't like to be drained down. Deep cycle batteries have less amps, but can be drained low and recharged (thus the term deep cycle). By wiring two deep cycle batteries together I've essentially doubled the amperage. Now have the benefit of being able to deep cycle them in camp (fridge, lights, etc) and still have lots of amps for starting, winching, etc.
The only reason they call a Marine battery that, is because most marine applications require them to get run down pretty low before recharging. For example, running a fridge.  Craig |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 26 May 2009 04:20 PM |
| Always looking for that first-hand, trusted knowledge!
You're confirming what I've read about these batteries, thanks.
I would ad that it seems that a real, well-made, marine battery should be better at taking a drain, and it should also be made to take the knocks and jolts you get in a boat. Whether it really is made differently for that purpose is probably a function of how much you pay for it.
I'm going to check the CA's of mine when I get home and see how well it does at turning over the truck on start up.
Craig, can you tell me more about your battery tray? Got any pics of it without the batteries in it? |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
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Morris Yarnell
 Advanced Member Posts:770
 | | 26 May 2009 04:41 PM |
| I just replaced the two red top Optimas in the pinz with two yellow top batteries. I run the fridge while camping. I bought the two red tops several years ago from a friend that has a car dealership that happened to get a pallet of them from some unknown source for cheap. I was the last of the group that had working batteries and I thought it best to replace them before an expected dieout. Costco had two types of yellow tops, side poles and top poles, top poles work better for me but the specs are different. As I run everything on 24V I did not think it would matter, we'll see. I still have the red tops and they work so may just keep them on hand for some experiments I want to do. Traded in some old water cells for the cores. Morris |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 26 May 2009 10:22 PM |
| Craig, do you simply remove the plastic tray, or do you hack it out?
Also, I'm not sure what type of wiring you did; but for anyone interested, I had an isolated switch activated by the ignition set up in the XD. This allowed for the two batteries to be wired in parallel, but it kept one from draining the other when the ignition was turned off. I had (and it may still have, ask Bryan) a dead battery in the aux spot -- completely dead -- and was wired in parallel to the main battery, but the main battery was never drained once I put this switch in. It was only $45 including installation materials. I tried isolator units, but they kept allowing voltage to drain from one battery to the next.
Anyway, the battery I have in now sits fine over night, starts fine, but if I leave so much as the radio on with the ignition off, it will only last for about 15 minutes before I'm stuck and need a jump -- yes, I've tried it.... |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
 | | 26 May 2009 11:39 PM |
| I unscrewed the plastic box that holds the jack, then fit the dual battery tray.
Yes, the cheap isolators pull a liitle from the batteries. If both batteries are identical, same age, same shape, they shouldn't drain each other.
The DII pulls an incredible amount of juice with the key in the ACC position even when the radio and dome lights are off.
Craig
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Bryan Betsinger
 New Member Posts:27
 | | 27 May 2009 08:49 AM |
| I still have 1 dead battery. Does anyone know where I could get 2 yellow top batterys for less than a small house? |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 27 May 2009 08:59 AM |
| Doesn't Costco have the Optima Blue Tops? I think they have the right posts for that set-up in the XD. When I bought the XD the other battery was also an Odyssey battery of the same type, it was just good enough to keep starting the car in the morning as long as I didn't let it sit for more than 10 hours or so. But when the fuel pump and filter went bad, the extra draw on start up finally killed it. After getting a new battery I realized how much drain the isolator unit was causing as well, and that's when I changed it over to an electro-magnetic switch. But I never did get around to putting two good batteries in. |
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Salue Lek
 New Member Posts:66
 | | 27 May 2009 09:52 AM |
| Another option that I went with is dual Sears Diehard Platinum batteries. There are a few threads on EXPO stating that they are the same batteries as Oddysey. Salue |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 27 May 2009 10:02 AM |
| From what I understand, there are actually only a handfull of battery makers in the U.S., so chances are if you spend more than average for a battery with good specs, you will be getting a re-branded version of some other name with a higher price. |
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Andy Hough
 Basic Member Posts:455
 | | 27 May 2009 10:23 AM |
| You are correct Ben. This is the case for many things, LCD/Plasma TV's, computer memory, etc. So you have to do the research to find out which batteries are re-stickered and just go for the cheaper version of the same thing. |
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Bryan Betsinger
 New Member Posts:27
 | | 27 May 2009 12:46 PM |
| I dont shop at Costco, it is run by communists. That is why it is called Commyco. I think Kim jong Il has quite a bit of stock in it. THanks for the info though. I will start my search for rebadged optimas. |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 27 May 2009 01:04 PM |
| Ha! That's awesome! |
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 27 May 2009 01:06 PM |
| If they are communists, they seem to have the capitalist system down pretty well. |
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Benny Benson
 Veteran Member Posts:1681
 | | 27 May 2009 01:17 PM |
| Les schwab has their version of Optima batteries...not sure how much or if they are cheaper than Optimas. Also check batteries+, they sell optimas, oddesseys and their own brand of similar batteries. |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
 | | 27 May 2009 01:28 PM |
| Posted By Mike Rupp on 05/27/2009 1:06 PM
If they are communists, they seem to have the capitalist system down pretty well.
ROFL!
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 27 May 2009 01:43 PM |
| So do the Chinese!
But we should never discuss politics and batteries. The consequences are shocking.... It is acidic to friendships........
oh, oh, wait, more...
...the topic sparked some interest, but was short circuited in the end. |
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