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Craig MillerUser is Offline
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07 Oct 2009 11:29 PM  

Thought it would be fun to compile a list of the the more common things likely to break on the trail that will prevent you from getting home... then maybe discuss the symptoms, and what to do for each one.  Some of the more obvious ones to me are:

  • Punctured Tire
  • Break a tire bead loose
  • Broken U joint (or rotoflex)
  • Broken half shaft (Land Rovers anyway)
  • Split hose
  • Serpentine Belt (Land Rover) - or "Belts" plural for other makes/models
  • Dead battery
  • Punctured radiator
  • Pinched exhaust

 What have I left off?  Brakes, steering, other?

Edit:  Additional items contributed in thread below:

  • Broken Differential
  • Fried Inertia Switch
  • Bent tie rod
  • Punctured fuel tank
  • Punctured oil pan
  • Blown fuses and Relays
  • Motor Mounts
  • CV joints

Starter, fuel pump, water pump, alternator, sensors, ECU, etc can of course fail too but aren't likely to fail specifically because the vehicle is on the trail.  Every vehicle that goes offroad for extended periods needs to be meticulously maintained.  Still, depending on the trip, age of these components, and necessity to limping home they should each be considered.

 

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07 Oct 2009 11:47 PM  

Broken windscreens. Had two of them so far in my experience.

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08 Oct 2009 02:11 AM  
-Trailer hitch ball
-Wheel studs

Towing a trailer once when the ball sheared off, man was that trailer a bucking bronco. Fixed it. 15min later the left wheel departed on its own adventure with the entire left side of the trailer which made it easier to pull off the road since all the stuff tumbled out onto I-90.

-Emergency brake cable system

Stopped for gas in my '69 pickup after running the FS roads around Greenwater and some lady says, "Something is hanging from your truck" so I backup into a spot to check it out and part of the e-brake cable went under a wheel and ripped out the rest of the system, which jammed both my rear brakes.

-Shock mounts

Same area of Greenwater in my CJ5, went over a little rise and clipped the lower right rear shock mount and it snapped clean off. Got sea sick coming home thanks to my m/t's.

-Fingers

Same area of Greenwater again, stuck truck, tried to use come-along but overloaded it and safety failed letting both my pinkies get crunched up inside it. Took my buddy a couple min with tire iron to open it enough to remove my fingers. 19 mile walk out to fire station which was closed and had a sign saying, "For emergencies, phone 1 mile, that way -->" (greenwater store).

-snow chains

Greenwater again, starting to see a pattern here, went to Crystal and on way back decided to go to our old favorite overlook for some winter photos in my Nova, coming down I slipped a little and must have caught a root with the wire snow chains because it came apart and wrapped tight around the axle, luckily didn't damage the brake line.
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08 Oct 2009 08:43 AM  
Notoriously, A broken differential. No fun there.
For Rovers, a faulty inertia switch has caused one person here some grief.
Craig MillerUser is Offline
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08 Oct 2009 08:52 AM  
Ryan and Jay - would you consider those items to be failures that prevent you from getting home?

Dan - yes, I'll add those to the list.

Bent tie rods are another notorious item on Land Rovers.

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08 Oct 2009 10:00 AM  

 I knew a jeep owner that kept various things that need grease (CV joint, Bearings, etc) in those seal-a-meal bags in his tool box. It is virtually impossible to keep all the spare parts on hand in the vehicle that one might need. Traveling in groups does insure that someone will have the 'part' that is needed by someone, and that seemed to be the answer when the trip to Alvord was planned by this group.  

The man in Australia that we know as 'Professor Pinz' carries spare Landie parts in his 6x pinz for his friends when they go on long adventures down under. The hole in the fuel tank is infamous for pinzies and can sometimes be fixed with a bit of rubber and a sheet metal screw. There is a molex connector that is the bane of almost all pinzies and can be fixed by removing (uncoupling) it and using WD-40 to clean it up. Poor (failed) grounding is a major issue for most electrical problems on pinzies.  Also bent tie rods are a curious problem as pinzies have good clearance, but it does  happen, I have seen it.

I do carry spare belt (air cooled engine), bulbs, and some electrical items along with oil, wire and duct tape and most of the tools necessary to fix all but the most expensive problems. 

Diagnosing the problem, except for the most obvious like blown or a debeading tyre, is sometimes the real issue. Like when Paul's right front was smoking and it was curious as to what was the cause.

Happy trails.

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08 Oct 2009 10:09 AM  
Agreed Morris. One can't carry all the spare parts, but I think the conversation is still worth having as it helps narrow down what to bring, and what to inspect at home to be sure it doesn't break on the trail.

For things like split hoses, punctured tanks, etc we can come prepared. Some larger items like broken axles can be circumvented by pulling them, and other larger items should be inspected in the driveway.

Another item I'd left off the original list is blown fuses and relays. They are small, but many people don't carry all the spares they need. Especially the ones under the hood.

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08 Oct 2009 01:05 PM  
Just a few I thought of:

• Clutch failure
• Broken axle
• Steering box
• Motor mounts
• Frame cracks
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08 Oct 2009 01:16 PM  
Technically most of those items did prevent me from continuing on my journey until I fixed them beside the road.
With the inclusion of flat tires & dead batteries I just saw an opening to put in the few things that have actually stopped me in my tracks while out and about. Interestingly enough I've never had a flat tire while exploring, always been in the city that I pick up something.

Obviously a dead differential is another level of bad over the stuff I posted.

I think when it comes to spare parts you have to build your kit based on how far away from civilization you are going and what you plan to do. Rock crawling on hard 4x4 trails will surely need some serious spares, tools on hand & mechanic skills. I see guys that are veritable car parts stores on wheels but we're only about an hour away from town or a major road. At what point do you reach over-preparedness?
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08 Oct 2009 02:01 PM  

I included flat tire and dead battery because they are literally the most common items that prevent someone from getting home.  Multiple flat tires in one day isn't uncommon when offroading.  Flat tires can usually be repaired, and dead batteries can be re-charged after getting a jump (from another vehicle or a jump box).  A truly dead battery that wouldn't take a charge at all would be a really bad situation if one were alone.  Deep cycle batteries and regular maintenance (checking battery condition) both sound like a good deal from an offroad reliability standpoint.  I've run my battery dead twice.  Both times were due to the Discovery 2s penchant for sucking the amps when the key is in the accessory mode... I digress.

Yes, one can be overprepared, and that's what my reply to Morris was addressing. From an expedition travel perspective (vs a trailer pulled trail rig relatively close to the tow rig) I think you need to bring know how and the small parts or tools/stuff (JB Weld, patch kits, etc) that allow you to limp home. Upgrade the weak points that you don't want to carry, and be meticulous about maintenance on the rest of the items.

Or being more concrete in my examples: A tie rod/tie rod ends can be upgraded so it won't bend. If you are still worried the tie rod ends are small to carry and A bent tie rod can be fixed in the field by first bending it back, then sleeving it with a hilift jack handle, and welding it in the field. A broken U-joint can either be swapped in the field or the driveshaft can be pulled and the truck driven out in 2WD. If the diff is broken the driveshaft can be removed and/or axles can be pulled (full floaters) with small to carry stubs put in their place. Each item in the truck can be considered and a plan to fix/replace/remove can be forumlated ahead of time. It's amazing how much stuff can be fixed with a relatively small amount of parts.

The purpose of this thread then is to identify those items that will truly keep you from getting off the trail and identify how to make a field repair. There are many many things that can go wrong with a vehicle, but not all of them actually prevent us from getting off the trail and back to a USFS road where a tow truck can meet us. E.g. A bad coil pack won't usually completely disable a vehicle, but a fuel pump on a modern car will.

I'm curious as to what others think but looking back over the various items being posted (not just your's Jay) there are several that I wouldn't personally prepare for.

Trailer hitch: Unhook the trailer, drive out, get a new ball, and come back for the trailer. Leave someone behind if necessary to watch the trailer.

E-brake: Doesn't seem to impeed progress.

Shock mounts: Pull the shock if necessary, but again it doesn't sound like it would impeed progress... just makes for a bouncy ride.

Fingers: Clearly you just need to bring a spare finger or two. I recommend chicken flavored fingers. You can nuke them in Todd's microwave.

Snow chains: A broken snow chain could take out another part, but the lack of snow chains themselves usually slows progress more than completely stopping progress.


Wheel studs: Did you break all 5 studs? It seems like 4 would keep the truck rolling down a trail anyway.

Broken Frame: With moderate trail use, and w/o being overloaded, this is very unlikely on a truck made for offroading. while there is no guarantee, I'd also assume that the truck could be driven until it was off the trail and back to a tow truck.

Clutch failure: Real potential problem here. I'd consider this an items to avoid via proper maintenance.

Broken Axle: Common, easy field repair/removal on most trucks, already in the list.

Steering box: I don't believe this will disable the vehicle. It will lose power steering, but believe it will still be drivable. Not sure though as I don't know diddly about steering components.

Motor Mounts: Good one Dave! Common, small, and field repairable.



 

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08 Oct 2009 02:04 PM  

I don't think "Starter" should be on the list... well, it is something that will prevent one from getting home but isn't "common" and is IMHO something that should be replaced preventatively based on life expectancy of a particular vehicle. Alternator, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump, timing chain, all fall in that category to me.
 

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08 Oct 2009 02:29 PM  
Spirit...

My spirit always breaks on the trail when folks tease me about my TuTu...

Craig MillerUser is Offline
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08 Oct 2009 02:47 PM  
Spirit fingers are how you fix that Todd. With a tutu and spirit fingers you'll be unstoppable.
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08 Oct 2009 03:06 PM  
I've had capacitor blew out in ECU. Not on trail but that stops one dead alright.
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08 Oct 2009 03:19 PM  
Various other electricals in general. Ignition coil if you have only 1, shorted wires, then of course newer rigs it could be drive-by-wire control. Limp mode is not very handy, some sensors like camshaft or crankshaft position sensor will prevent engine from running, even speed sensor will put one in limp mode, tranny shift interlock might prevent engine from starting. Of course there could be general catastrophic failure in the engine possible from hydrolocking, oil starvation, overheating, same goes for tranny. Seized axle bearings, broken R&P
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08 Oct 2009 03:23 PM  
You could loose your ignition key by accident.
Craig MillerUser is Offline
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08 Oct 2009 04:36 PM  
It's interesting to see what different people think is the most likely to fail on the trail.
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08 Oct 2009 04:58 PM  

I was thinking of what could prevent me from coming home if I don't have spares. My only significant breakage on trail in 10 years was rear axle shaft. I locked my ARB and drove 150 miles home in full time 3WD. Ignition coil misbehaved after past headlight mud dipping for about 10 min, despite being very appropriately located at very top of engine. Fortunately it somehow dried up and I made it home only to completely fail in couple weeks. So electricals could bite you. Not mentioning that article by Tom Shepard in Overland Journal

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08 Oct 2009 05:05 PM  
How about an Air Suspension compressor. Depending on the severity of the trail you may not make it out......
Ryan
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08 Oct 2009 05:09 PM  

Hi Craig, I know you've purposely left off a water pump but I like to carry one. I've personally needed to replace one on the trail and two other friends have lost theirs over the years. No coolant brings things to a stop right away and the part is not too big to carry. I'm glad that relays, fuses etc. have made it in, on some trips I've handed out fuses like popcorn.

Bill

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