Dale Avery
 Advanced Member Posts:682
 | | 30 Dec 2009 08:55 AM |
| O.K. fellow dirt dogs, let's play! If you had it to do all over again, what rig would you get that: 1) Provides the best bang for the buck? 2) Is easy to maintain, service, and find parts for? 3) Can provide both daily and off-road exploration capabilities? 4) Is reliable enough to take from Prudhoe Bay to the Beagle Straights? 5) will work with the camping gear you already own? My Toyota Tacoma has proven to be very reliable, almost maintenence free, and has taken me through Moab, all over the northern Rockies, and through the Great Plains. It's pretty comfortable, easy on regular gas, and a joy to drive. However, just to make this a fun brain game, I think I would nominate another vehicle. It would be a 2000-2001 Jeep Cherokee. Either auto or manual, with the straight six gas engine. I know it is getting a bit long in the tooth, BUT it is pretty reliable, needs very little to make it a good exploration vehicle, the parts are easily sourced and are available throughout the western hemisphere. In fact, there is very little I would do to the rig; a 2" lift with a slightly heavier duty suspension, BFG AT's, and maybe a winch. It is big enough for two, the tent can go on top, the Engel wired into the rear, and it will take one just about anywhere all the super built up rigs will go. Oh, and it has pretty good visability out of the cabin too. Just like the RRCs. Many newer vehicle's bodywork was built to look good, but it leaves one with great diffuculty looking out at the world around you. The FJ Cruiser and Hummer 3 come readily to mind. What would you do? |
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Todd Eliason
 Veteran Member Posts:3515
 | | 30 Dec 2009 09:28 AM |
| hard question Dale, I have to noodle this for a bit. Oddly, what immediately came to mind was an old (square) 67-77 Bronco. Very simple and reliable and can tackle most anything. |
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Isaac Fain WARNING: Pot Stirrer
 Advanced Member Posts:511
 | | 30 Dec 2009 10:01 AM |
| how many of us secretly want to add an old domestic ute to the stable? Make mine a Dodge Ramcharger with the 318. tons of clearance - rides like a *dream* - way better than any bronco or blazer I've ever been in. this one is a '91. I'm saving up to shop for a new rig in late Jan or Feb. The plan is to pick up another RRC. bang for the buck I don't think they can be beaten. The sacrifice of extra maintenance for ability is worth it, to me. I think the JK Unlimited, hands down, is the best rig money can buy right now. Jeep really knocked this one out of the park. I just couldn't afford to hang on to mine. An RRC or, potentially, a D1 I can get my hands on and not have a payment. |
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Todd Eliason
 Veteran Member Posts:3515
 | | 30 Dec 2009 10:36 AM |
| Posted By Isaac Fain on 12/30/2009 10:01 AM how many of us secretly want to add an old domestic ute to the stable? Make mine a Dodge Ramcharger with the 318. tons of clearance - rides like a *dream* - way better than any bronco or blazer I've ever been in. this one is a '91.
Time to check your hookah dude... That ain't tobbacco.... 
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Scott Moore
 New Member Posts:50
 | | 30 Dec 2009 02:22 PM |
| I gotta say that ramchargers are not a bad choice. easy to get parts and they have plenty of room. i would have to say that my choice would have to be a mid 90s land cuiser with the factory lockers. They have a reliable inline 6, do well offroad and have plenty of room......though i may change my mind shortly, that is my pick for right now.... |
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Isaac Fain WARNING: Pot Stirrer
 Advanced Member Posts:511
 | | 30 Dec 2009 03:27 PM |
| Cummins Turbo Diesel transplant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F27ZTLQzVK0&feature=related i should stop watching this. it could start to look appealing.  |
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Ryan Hall 
 Advanced Member Posts:521
 | | 30 Dec 2009 04:04 PM |
| I would also have to say early box Broncos. I really miss both of mine. They are easy to work on easy to find parts anywhere. Both of mine were lifted with James Duff 3 in kits and road decent. Both had well built 351C with C-6 and would drive through a brick wall, or over that same wall if I had wanted. Very fun to wheel. Small enough to go anywhere, just REALLY hard on the gas bill. |
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Isaac Fain WARNING: Pot Stirrer
 Advanced Member Posts:511
 | | 30 Dec 2009 04:49 PM |
| Dale, did you know the rubicon transfer case - NP241OR - is basically a direct bolt-in for the later cherokees? If someone were throwing lots of money at a new truck - a case could be easily made for Rubicon running gear, a stroker-6 and 235/85's. it'd be an interesting truck. I've thought about building one of these as a backup to a RRC. Can't do a second RRC as a backup to the RRC. At least I've learned that much For the record, I've never thought less of the cherokee because it's a unibody. I don't think frame-based vehicles really have that much of an advantage, if any. |
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Nate Skate
 Advanced Member Posts:725
 | | 30 Dec 2009 06:13 PM |
| I own both an XJ and the pickup version of the Ram up there. The Power Wagon is a nice truck, but it's really, I mean really, wide. The electrical system has some weird quirks that make it's outback reliability a little questionable. Mine doesn't ride that great either, but that could probably be fixed. Gas mileage sucks.
The XJ makes a great two person expo vehicle. It's a little tight with the three of us but doable. Decent gas mileage, and unlike my Saab, it's incredibly easy to work on. The drivetrain with the 4.0 and AW4 is bullet proof. I think the unibody is generally only an issue when you go above 33" tires, rock-crawl a lot, or wheel with the doors off. People do the Rubicon with XJ's on 31's. If you do tweak or crack the unibody you can buy another cheap and swap you mods over in a weekend I hear. The 2000 models have a head cracking issue, BTW. I think the 97-99s are the best with the high pinion D30. |
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Scott Williams
 Advanced Member Posts:880
 | | 30 Dec 2009 07:03 PM |
| Isaac, Knock it off.  Scott |
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Dale Avery
 Advanced Member Posts:682
 | | 30 Dec 2009 10:47 PM |
| Wow, some really nice answers and great ideas. I can't fault a single one. How about a slight modification to the original question? What would your top three selections be to meet the original criteria? Here are mine: 1) Jeep Cherokee still in first place; 2) Toyota 4Runner, early 2000's version, coil suspension & four wheel disc brakes, fuel injection, conservative engine build for long lasting lifespan; 3) an 80 series Land Cruiser. (just because! But then I'd end up giving Slee all my money for farkles and would overprice it out of the competition.) I've already had one RRC and really, really liked its capabilities. To me the perfect size, pretty good engineering, incredible brakes, mediocre engine, and the very best ability to see well from inside the cabin. Cons are poor mileage and high level of wrenching to maintain it. So maybe this would fit at #4. If I were to purchase something brand new, it would be one of the new Unlimited Rubicons. But that wouldn't fit my best bang for the buck criteria. Thanks for giving me your feedback, everyone. Maybe we should try doing the same thing for dualsport bikes??? |
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Isaac Fain WARNING: Pot Stirrer
 Advanced Member Posts:511
 | | 30 Dec 2009 11:41 PM |
| Posted By Scott Williams on 12/30/2009 7:03 PM
Isaac,
Knock it off. 
Scott *snicker* hehe ... ok ok!! |
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 31 Dec 2009 06:13 AM |
| The reason that I bought a Land Rover was because of owning a Jeep Cherokee. Back in the 90s, I was all geeked over the Cherokee and ordered one. I ordered one with the selec trac transfer case and offroad package. I loved that thing when I first brought it home. It didn't take long for me to start to realize its shortcomings. The unibody construction completely negates any possibility of it being used as an overland type truck. The body is so flexy, you would hear creaks and groans as the suspension flexed and the body moved as well. The unibody is so soft that if you are offroad and there is any flex in the suspension it is difficult to open doors. After 3 years of ownership, that thing was literally starting to fall apart. Door hinges broke, the rear diff grenades, the seat frame broke, a valve spring broke, etc.
The irony was that I was considering ordering a 1994 Discovery when I bought the Cherokee. The entire reason that I chose the Jeep was because of the perceived negatives of the LR. I have driven my LR hard over the last ten years and the doors still shut like it is brand new. I don't consider the Jeep Cherokee to be a worthy overland truck. |
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Dale Avery
 Advanced Member Posts:682
 | | 31 Dec 2009 07:22 AM |
| Gret input, Mike. Let's hear somemore! |
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Scott Williams
 Advanced Member Posts:880
 | | 31 Dec 2009 08:51 AM |
| Thanks for speaking my mind for me Mr. Rupp.  |
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 31 Dec 2009 08:59 AM |
| No worries Scott.  |
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Winston
 Basic Member Posts:123
 | | 31 Dec 2009 09:18 AM |
| I've witnessed two Cherokee failures that are cause for concern.
On an overland trip quite a few years ago, a loaded Cherokee with us went over a dip faster than he probably should have, and it resulted in front doors that could barely be opened or shut the rest of the trip. Apparently the unibody bent slightly, near the firewall.
On another trip in snow, a Cherokee in our group had something in his rear suspension come loose, probably caused by the rhythmic bucking as the truck was struggling for traction in deep snow. I was in my D90, and we had enough vehicles, so wasn't that interested in what broke and didn't crawl under his truck for a look. It forced us to abort the trip and he limped home.
Both these cases happened in moderate conditions. Conversely, I've spent a lot of time with Cherokees on other successful outings and been generally impressed with their abilities, especially considering their cost. |
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Ben Bailey
 Veteran Member Posts:2561
 | | 31 Dec 2009 09:38 AM |
| My brother bought a new Cherokee in 1999, it fell apart. He literally had a small pile of both interior and exterior parts in his garage, things that had fallen off onto the road, or that had come off the interior trim when he closed the doors or opened the windows with the wind blasting too hard.
Our Wrangler was great though.
I'd go with a Disco I, or a Nissan or Toyota pickup. |
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Grant Mossman
 Veteran Member Posts:1409
 | | 31 Dec 2009 09:46 AM |
| An RRC, JK and 3rd Gen 4Runner side by side- their similar size surprised me... but maybe it shouldn't have |
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Benny Benson
 Veteran Member Posts:1681
 | | 31 Dec 2009 09:46 AM |
| where's the trooper love? While I loved my trooper I'm definetly sticking with the Wrangler unlimited..right out of the box, it's ready to go. |
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