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Terrance BaileyUser is Offline
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29 Nov 2010 03:28 PM  

i have been looking into options for regearing my runner and have come accross this place eastcoastgearsupply.com/cart.html. they build a third member and ship it to you with what ever you want put in it. does any one have any experiance with them? Though i would prefer to buy things local, the idea of having a replacement third to drop in is appealing. though it is slightly more expensive than buying the parts seperatly. what do you guys think?



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29 Nov 2010 03:47 PM  

Have you looked at Trail gear? www.trail-gear.com  Their are in CA so a bit more local. Blazing quick shipping and awesome customer service.



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29 Nov 2010 04:02 PM  
I have no experience with them, but always thought Randy's would build out a complete 3rd to your specs. They're a national company with a shop in everett. www.ringpinion.com 425-347-1199


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29 Nov 2010 04:09 PM  

X2 on Randy's...forgot all about them.



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29 Nov 2010 04:10 PM  

There's also Northwest Off-Road up near Bellingham

www.northwestoffroad.com



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29 Nov 2010 05:06 PM  
Justdifferentials.com is a local company that I am sure would meet or beat either Randy's or ECGS. If it were me I'd pick up that already set-up 5.29 front diff off of the Expedition Portal and then an 8" diff for cheap off craigslist and have one of the guys that does gear work on NW-Wheelers.com sett hat up for me for cheap. You're still going to be in it ~700, but it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper than paying any big name shop to set up two brand new diffs for you. You could also just pick up an already geared diff with a locker from one of the forums for pretty cheap too.


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29 Nov 2010 05:29 PM  
Rus if you can get me a new 8" set up properly and warranted plus a front 5.29 for ~700 then I have ~700 right here I will pay it right now.
I've been trying to find 3rds for months to no success- everything I find is either junk or being sold by flakes.


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29 Nov 2010 10:03 PM  

randys was the first place i looked. they dont carry the arb lockers and the gears and install kits from them and the lockers from other sources came out to about 500 less than the complete 3rds from the ecgs. that is with out the labor to install all of the stuff in my diffs.

trail gear and northwest both either dont have the lockers i want, or the front diff.

justdifferentials.com looks like a great source. and i like it being local. although i think i want the detroit trutrac for the front rather than a lock right or arb. from talking to people, and bill burke, i think i would be happiest with the limited slip up front.

after compairing prices i think i will be getting the rear from justdifferentials and the front from ECGS. this way i can just swap out the diffs with out needing to take it to some one who knows what they are doing and theoreticaly my rig will only be down one day.

also it asks if i want solid or crush sleeve, any idea what this is reffering to and which is better?



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29 Nov 2010 11:27 PM  
Hey Terrance...... Burke said Truetrac would work better or is it a cost thing? I thought he liked being able to pick which or both diffs to be locked and only whe he chose too?

Example is for all locked tuff rocks and or climbing, rear locked for climbimg and rocks, front locked only when climbing steep sections so the rig pulls up and doesnt push the rear end up through causing a rollover?

If your going ARB in the back then why not the front?


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30 Nov 2010 07:34 AM  

I am a absolute believer in the trutracks. I had them front and rear in my RRC and they performed very well for me without giving it much thought. Traction was great! I have had the ARB's in the past and they have their benefits but I would choose the Trutracks again. I have one in my current DiscoII and with traction control, it should work out well.


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Rus ManderyUser is Offline
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30 Nov 2010 09:52 AM  
Posted By Danny Stevens on 11/29/2010 11:27 PM

If your going ARB in the back then why not the front?


The front diff on the Taco's is really weak, along with the cv's and the hubs. By using a Tru-Trac in the front you soften up some of the locker effect on these components. From what I've heard they work very well. You must have manual hubs to use them in a Tacoma/4Runner though! The Tru-Trac will not work with ADD!

Also, many people/competition teams are going away from the spool/non-selectable rear locker and moving the selectable to the rear and running the non-selectable in the front. You can get a tighter turning radius by doing this than if you were doing the opposite, according to the internet.

 

Grant, the hard part of that equation is finding an already geared front. Not too many people want to mess with the 7.5" diff as it is incredibly hard to set up.



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30 Nov 2010 10:50 AM  
Interesting, most people I know of with a Detroit Rear, TT Front always says they'd put an ARB in the front if given the opportunity. They are all Land Rover guys though, so they all have permanent AWD. Having manual locking hubs certainly changes how I would think of both the front and rear lockers.

On an AWD like Danny has, he can't unlock the hubs to get the super loose turning radius when driving around town so an ARB is usually preferred.

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30 Nov 2010 11:54 AM  

 Rus, that is the reason i want to go witht the trutrac. the limited slip will be easier on the running gear than a full time or arb locker, also with the trutrac i wont lose turning radius. Bill didnt say that the trutrac was the end all best thing, but with this being my daily driver and how i have it set up it was his sudjestion.

Bill didnt say anything about needing manual hubs to run the limited slip though. if my understanding of how it all works it should be ok.

with my t-case in 2wd the front drive shaft doesnt spin, and the left side axle is dissconnected. the cv shafts are splined into the hubs so the cv shaft spins with the wheel, the right cv shaft is splined into the carrier while the left shaft has the dissconnect . then in 4wd the dissconnect reconnects and the front drive shaft applies power to the wheels. with a limited slip in 2wd it would constantly be in free wheel. when in 4wd it would act as if it were installed in an axle with the hubs locked.

if that explanation makes any sense to any one ill be impressed, if some one smarter than me has a good description of how it works it might help.



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30 Nov 2010 01:18 PM  
Terrence, this might warrant a call to a good gear shop. I read all over the interweb that ADD+TruTrac=notsogoodie but cannot find anything that says why. I tried Randy's but was on hold too long


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30 Nov 2010 02:33 PM  

 grant, thank you for lookng into it. after digging a little deeper i found that you are right about needing the locking hubs. with the add and a limited slip the limited slip will lock up and spin the diff and the front drive shaft. this causes a lot of extra wear on the drive train. so i will be getting locking hubs with the front diff.



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30 Nov 2010 02:36 PM  
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152957 This guys local and ready to deal if he still has it.
With ADD it pops the cv out, I don't have time to find the relevant thread on TTORA right now, procrastination and college lead to lots of work at the end of the quarter!


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30 Nov 2010 03:03 PM  

rus, thank you for searching for me, though looks like he sold it already. i am searching more on swapping out the hubs, not liking where that research is leading me....may end up staying open in the front



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30 Nov 2010 03:23 PM  
Terrance, keep your eyes open on TTORA etc for someone doing an SAS and parting an IFS with the hubs.
I picked up an old downey converted spindle set up that uses the factory ADD along with WARN lockouts.
So I unlock the hubs for road use (eliminating wear on the CV's and gaining about 1-1.5 mpg) and lock for trail use or when its snowy.
I think it would allow for a limited slip if you remember to always unlock the hubs when in 2wd


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30 Nov 2010 03:30 PM  

i will keep my eyes open, but i will probably do the locker in the rear, regear the front and leave it open for now, until i find some locking hubs



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30 Nov 2010 04:19 PM  

Hey Terrance,

I thought of one other thing that you are running 33"s......? TruTracs are only rated for up too a 32" tire I believe....... Thus no warrenty and they don't recomend that larger diameter tires for the TruTrac's.......

Either way your rig with a rear Locker will rock considering it did so well open on the Burke training runs!!!!!

 

I can't wait to lock up my rig front and rear next month with ARB's........ But since I have a rover I get to buy expensive axles too!!!!! Good times.... GOing Ashcroft unless others have a better idea. Roveer Tracks doenst make d2 stuff!!!!! bummer.

 

Good luck Terrance...... maybe we can do a snow run together this winter up there?



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