Land Lubber
 New Member Posts:18
 | | 04 Feb 2011 08:33 PM |
| Hi all. I currently have a Jeep Cherokee XJ and am in the market for a Disco 1. My biggest drawback of the disco is the terrible fuel mileage that the 4.0L provides, along with a lot of electronics that could be damaged if I put the vehicle in a fording situation. I have been looking at the viability of a diesel conversion. In my google-fu I ran by a few 6.2L GM diesel conversions. Do any of you know anyone who has taken part in this and have seen or heard the results? This project is not above me technical wise, but I am curious if this too negatively affects the offroad prowress of the vehicle. I am concerned of what the negative results would be as far as sidehilling, climbing, and descent angles would be. Thanks for any input! | | |
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Benny Benson
 Veteran Member Posts:1681
 | | 04 Feb 2011 09:36 PM |
| having worked on Humvees in the army, I despise the 6.2.......to me it was like lets take a perfectly fine gas motor and retro fit it to run diesel. the injector pumps were crap, brand new they sounded like they were about to fall apart and don't get me going on the glow plugs.... | | | |
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Land Lubber
 New Member Posts:18
 | | 04 Feb 2011 09:45 PM |
| I have of experience working on these engines in a professional environment. I am all too aware of the ups and downs of the engine and oh yes glow plugs lol. Been there with em. Buy Bosch only is my recommendation. Anything autolight and the head will be pulled off, and I would do something different with the controller. The hummer blocks are definetaly more stout than the norm. My worry is that the 6.2L will be an extra 250 pounds in the front. I'm curious as to what this will do with the off road capability. They are definetaly noisy though..... | | | |
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Mike Block
 Advanced Member Posts:700
 | | 04 Feb 2011 11:21 PM |
| 6.2L will be an extra 250 pounds in the front. I'm curious as to what this will do with the off road capability. They are definetaly noisy though..... I know this girl, ...... she has a nice personality! | | | |
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Tony Sims
 Veteran Member Posts:1231
 | | 05 Feb 2011 07:23 AM |
| The LR 300TDi weighs a bit over 100 lbs more than the V8, and the Isuzu 3.5 Diesel that used to be a popular swap in Oz and the UK weighs even more, so heavier engines have been used, and as far as I know there was no significant problem. And consider that you and 3 passengers add ~600 lbs. | | | |
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Land Lubber
 New Member Posts:18
 | | 07 Feb 2011 10:50 AM |
| I'm crunching the numbers and I'm 1200 dollars into brackets and mounts for the conversion. A turbo 400 transmission will be needed along with a 6.2L ,preferably one with serpentine belts. I can see the conversion hitting 2500 easily without even getting to ancillaries, such as a good low stall converter. What's the best deal people have found on getting a 200 or 300tdi to the states? Time to make some comparisons. | | | |
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Scott Williams
 Advanced Member Posts:880
 | | 07 Feb 2011 04:28 PM |
| Don't do it. You are going to take a perfectly capable vehicle and ruin it. You will be chasing problems forever with a conversion like this. Just get a 97-99 discovery 1 and drive it.  | | | |
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Dustin Morrow
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 07 Feb 2011 04:40 PM |
| Matt, I think the creativity and challenge here is pretty cool, but would seriously question doing this. It seems like you would be way better served working from the original platform and using those funds to restore/rebuild/enahance that platform. I bet the conversion you are speaking of will run way more than the $2500 mentioned and then once complete, be uncertain of performance, what impact it will have on the original engineering and so on. While it would not be my choice, I always appreciate people that are willing to take on a project this challenging. If you go for it, good luck and keep us up to date on the progress. Dustin | | | |
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Tony Sims
 Veteran Member Posts:1231
 | | 08 Feb 2011 10:05 AM |
| You can get an adapter for the 6.2 to mate it to the Rover's ZF box. Same bolt pattern as the petrol SBC.
Just call me an enabler... | | | |
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Land Lubber
 New Member Posts:18
 | | 08 Feb 2011 10:29 AM |
| I'm just trying to break into the disco scene so I will have some newbie questions. Scott what are the advantages of the 97-99 discos vs. the earlier years? Dustin, I understand what you mean. I have done quite a few diesel conversions on other vehicles and they are never as easy as it seems. The 6.2 appeals to me because they are cheap, for a diesel they are light and I know the ins and outs of this engine. Despite what people like to say about the platform at my previous job we cranked 295 hp at the wheels with one. Confirmed because we had a dyno there. It was built over 5 years ago and still runs fine to this day(surprisingly because its not even a hummer block). I do know that whether it is a 200tdi or a 6.2L I will have a diesel in a Rover! I will definetaly keep it posted! Tony, What I really want is to put the diesel in front of an R380. I was told by marks 4x4 in Australia that you have to mate the 6.2 in front of a t400. I want this vehicle to be a manual. Do you know of any sources for these adapters? I can seem to find nothing yet these 6.2/r380 discos SEEM to be all over the net. Who knows, I may go out and buy a disco and love it the way it is! | | | |
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Scott Williams
 Advanced Member Posts:880
 | | 09 Feb 2011 02:14 PM |
| The 1997-1999 Discovery's had numerous improvements over the earlier models. It has the most reliable ABS and EFI systems as well as improved harnesses. They also have updated swivel housings with a teflon coating and improved body sealing. They are the only ones to consider if buying a Discovery 1 IMO. Look for one that has been well maintained and can prove it with records or through a history with a repair facility. | | | |
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 09 Feb 2011 02:28 PM |
| I must have bought an early 97. My swivels were the old shiny ones. It also had the pre-advanced evaps. | | | |
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Land Lubber
 New Member Posts:18
 | | 09 Feb 2011 07:10 PM |
| Thanks Scott! | | | |
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Tony Sims
 Veteran Member Posts:1231
 | | 10 Feb 2011 01:21 AM |
| I thought Mark's did the adapter. Clearly I am confused. Possibly Mark's recommends the T400 because the R380 isn't up to the torque of the GM lump? I don't think LR put them behind V8's, although I could be wrong. Although people chip TD5's for significantly more juice than a 300TDi, and the R380 seems OK with that. | | | |
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Scott Williams
 Advanced Member Posts:880
 | | 10 Feb 2011 12:18 PM |
| Mike, Yours was an early version. Most 97's have the updated swivels and the square canister for advanced evaps. | | | |
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Jason Rose
 Basic Member Posts:147
 | | 10 Feb 2011 03:25 PM |
| Hmmmm... My 97 has shiny balls too  | | | |
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 10 Feb 2011 03:31 PM |
| Soon, my shiny balls will be replaced with some dark and rotated balls. Man, that sounds odd. What I meant to write was that I'll be installing some caster corrected, teflon coated swivel balls. Ok, that's better. | | | |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
 | | 10 Feb 2011 04:40 PM |
| Mike,
I'm surprised you find driveability issues with the 1.5" OME lift you have. Is it bad or are you just going for suspension perfection (which I *fully* understand).
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Mike Rupp
 Veteran Member Posts:1354
 | | 11 Feb 2011 07:14 AM |
| Craig, I don't have a 1.5" lift, I've got a 3". I used the rear medium duty OME springs up front with the rubber isolators which net about a 3" lift. I was talking about this with Dan last night. I installed the 3" lift so I could run 255/85s, but after I took the trip to Moab with my brother, I decided that the additional 1" isn't worth it to me. My brother had the 255s and honestly the only difference was that some obstacles were just a little easier for him, but for all I know he's just a better driver. The mileage difference was pretty shocking between vehicles. On the drive out, he'd need at least an additional gallon or two at each fillup compared to my truck.
I have RTE radius arms which were rotated back to correct for the pinion angle. This made the caster better as well, but it still isn't back to factory specs. It really does drive well compared to running a 3" lift with the factory radius arms, but I am picky and want it to be perfect. | | | |
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Craig Miller Posts:11799
 | | 11 Feb 2011 07:22 AM |
| Yeah, I had the RTE arms on my DII and while it helped, it was definitely still a bit squirrely. I look forward to hearing how it drives after the tweak. After all the gear is loaded, I think I'm going to want 1 more inch on my lift. | | | |
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