Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 23 Jan 2012 01:05 PM |
| Here's the deal: I've got a Panasonic Toughbook (CF-74) that I use for ON, my OBD2 scantool, and reading my FSM. It works great for these things, and these are the only things I will ever do with it. It's a standard sized laptop, and I'm not too keen on running it in a mount. It's too big, and it's hard enough to get the boss lady to ride in the truck as it is... having an obnoxious laptop mounted over/around her isn't going to help. It seem to me that regardless of how nice a mount is, there really is only so much room in the truck up front. I'm looking at this guy right here: www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp My thought process is I can run my toughbook under a seat, closed with this beauty mounted somewhere on the dash. I've got the dimensions of this screen and am going to mess around with different mounting solutions, but I'm leaning towards a windshield mount. I tested my current windshield mount (universal rig, very strong) with a friends 7" android tablet a while back and was very happy with it. My other options were purchasing a small tablet, but I really like my toughbook, and I don't like the idea of spending the $$ on another computer. Also, if mounted under the seat my toughbook will be about as secure/safe as possible from bumps. If my mounting solution did give out, I would be out a touch screen... not a laptop or tablet. I have zero experience with carputers, but I know guys run touchscreens with those. I'm looking for the cheapest way into a touchscreen that's less than 8" wide. Are there any reasons this shouldn't/won't work the way I'm imagining it? All advice/input is appreciated. First hand experience a plus! |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 23 Jan 2012 01:44 PM |
| Youtube video of it: Aside from some potential glare issues, it's looking pretty good. |
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Craig Miller Posts:11803
 | | 23 Jan 2012 04:58 PM |
| Mike,
Check out the webstore at mp3car.com for a few other options. Xenarc makes several different setups you might be interested in.
Craig
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 23 Jan 2012 06:42 PM |
| Posted By Craig Miller on 01/23/2012 4:58 PM
Mike,
Check out the webstore at mp3car.com for a few other options. Xenarc makes several different setups you might be interested in.
Craig Hmmm... great website, exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for. Based on my reading, one issue I might have (which I was aware of but didn't consider an issue) is that the laptop will have to be powered on and OS booted in order for the monitor to function properly. Makes since, being USB. Not a big deal, but this will mean taking it out from under the seat and powering it up if it gets turned off/dies for whatever reason. I'll have to keep that in mind when figuring out how I want to stow the toughbook. The downside of that website is I'm now looking at the double din screens... I could take out my radio and integrate the screen... hmmm... hybrid laptop/carputer. This is getting dangerous.  |
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Ben Bailey
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 | | 23 Jan 2012 07:16 PM |
| Mike, I knew a guy in San Fran that had a similar set up in his LR3. He had a regular laptop, and a cheap ($200) Chinese no-brand-name touch screen connected to it. I don't think it was a pure USB, probably an RGB with a USB for the touch. Anyway, he had the laptop closed, plugged in, and just sitting on a pad on the floor behind his seat. He was running Craig's software and the system really was a good set up.
Exactly what you are dealing with -- a good laptop, but large for mounting, and no touch screen.
The only thing I would say is these days you do have the tablets and such (check the one at Costco right now) as an option. |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 23 Jan 2012 07:31 PM |
| Yeah, I'm seeing that this Proximus is basically the same Chinese thing that's being sold for $150 with a different logo on it. My CF-74 was cheap, and at the end of the day I'm looking for economy here. I've looked at netbooks, but hate the little keyboards and don't want to pay a ton extra for a touchscreen. If I was to buy another machine, I would pick up an Itronix 325 from ebay for about $200 and pack a rollable keyboard. In the end, it's all about the mounting. I think I'm going to order one and see how it works. Realistically, it's less than a good laptop mount, and looks like it will fulfill my needs well. I'll probably paint the glossy exterior with something flat... I had a netbook back in the day that I spray painted flat tan when I was deployed, then stenciled my name on it. It was pretty sweet looking. Another plus will be that I can transfer this between the wagon and the troopie fairly easily. |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 24 Jan 2012 10:15 AM |
| Ordered from Tiger Direct and got me some free shipping. After a recent rash of mail theft here in T-Town, I'm thankful that they were able to add signature confirmation to the shipping and still keep it free. Looking forward to the install. |
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Alex Kogan
 Basic Member Posts:421
 | | 24 Jan 2012 10:35 AM |
| I've had this setup in Nevada Trophy last year. Worked very well for me. It's a bit old police car retired MobilVue monitor. Transflective 12" touch screen with 1600 Nits (new). Totally daylight readable. Got it on ebay for about $100. It needed some work. Built like a tank. Weights like a tank too so requires sturdy mount. 
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Alex Kogan
 Basic Member Posts:421
 | | 24 Jan 2012 10:36 AM |
| Oh I see you already ordered it. Well give it a try. I like big screens. |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 24 Jan 2012 10:37 AM |
| That's a nice looking set up! Still a tad big for what I'm looking for, but it looks sturdy as hell.
I'm hoping the compact size and lightweight nature of this proximus means it won't jounce itself to death too awful much.
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 25 Jan 2012 08:21 PM |
| For reference, I've been using an Arkon 7" Tablet mount for my phone, my eTrex GPS, and my junky old 7" Android Tablet. I've had it for a little over a year, and plan on ordering a few more for various duties in the Troopie. They have different clips that make this a pretty versatile mounting solution for gear. I'll probably run a Yaesu handheld in one of these bad mama-jama's. I plan on using it to hold the Proximus once it gets here. It's the best bang for your buck suction mount that I've got any experience with. I would love a Ram mount, but for $11 I'm blown away by how versatile this thing has been. astore.amazon.com/wagwes-20/detail/B004M8ST36 -Mike |
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Luke
 Basic Member Posts:254
 | | 26 Jan 2012 07:04 AM |
| I see what you're saying about using your toughbook under the seat, somehow you would need to get it to power on and off with the vehicle, and function with the screen folded down. What is your plan? There are vehicle mounted computers, this G-Wagon has one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQfFO51TJh4&feature=player_embedded |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 26 Jan 2012 09:30 AM |
| Current plan will be to power the toughbook up, then slide it under the seat/into it's home once the OS has loaded and I've got an operational touch screen. I need this set up to be transferable between the wagon and the troopie with as little impact as possible.
With regards to the screen operating while folded down, that's a fairly simple setting in windows under the power options. I'll have a custom power scheme that doesn't make the toughbook sleep or hibernate while getting power with the lid closed, and keeps the USB ports active. People use laptops in this manner on desks, so that's the easy part.
I'm getting pretty excited about this thing. Even with the free economy shipping I got from Tigerdirect, it's showing my screen scheduled to be here on Saturday! EDIT: Just watched that video, looks like a carputer! A member on here has (or had) a very cool carputer set up that I remember reading about on his website. I think his name was Jack Shepherd... his was one of my favorite 80 series to read about when he put it together. |
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Alex Kogan
 Basic Member Posts:421
 | | 26 Jan 2012 11:24 AM |
| That pretty much setup I've had. Except I used regular toshiba laptop with SSD (absolute must, anything else will die). I kept it in a pocket behind passanger sit. Don't put it too far away. Often there is something you need to fiddle with and and touch on windows OS is ain't no Ipad/Android. Invest in trackball or USB touchpad. Of course I use NG TOPO that's really not built for touch interface. Wish I gave Craig's ON a go but I already got full set of maps for TOPO. |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 26 Jan 2012 11:35 AM |
| Posted By Alex Kogan on 01/26/2012 11:24 AM
That pretty much setup I've had. Except I used regular toshiba laptop with SSD (absolute must, anything else will die). I kept it in a pocket behind passanger sit. Don't put it too far away. Often there is something you need to fiddle with and and touch on windows OS is ain't no Ipad/Android. Invest in trackball or USB touchpad. Of course I use NG TOPO that's really not built for touch interface. Wish I gave Craig's ON a go but I already got full set of maps for TOPO.
I was contemplating a trackball or small touchpad mouse, velcroed somewhere easy for me to manipulate. Without a right click button, I would be floundering in windows, I think.
Once I'm in ON, I'll be good to go. |
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Craig Miller Posts:11803
 | | 26 Jan 2012 05:25 PM |
| Posted By Alex Kogan on 01/26/2012 11:24 AM
That pretty much setup I've had. Except I used regular toshiba laptop with SSD (absolute must, anything else will die). I kept it in a pocket behind passanger sit. Don't put it too far away. Often there is something you need to fiddle with and and touch on windows OS is ain't no Ipad/Android. Invest in trackball or USB touchpad. Of course I use NG TOPO that's really not built for touch interface. Wish I gave Craig's ON a go but I already got full set of maps for TOPO.
I used a laptop hard drive on an anti-vibration mount for 3 years w/ good luck (lots and lots of trail and washboard time). These days the SSDs are so cheap there's no reason to not use one though. The other benefit of an SSD, especially with an older laptop is that it will give you a HUGE performance gain in reading files. Since that's pretty much what Overland Navigator does, I'd anticipate a massive performance gain by switching to SSD. I'm planning to swap the 1.5" HDD in my Semi-ruggedized EO TufTab to an SSD form factor for that reason alone.
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Craig Miller Posts:11803
 | | 26 Jan 2012 05:26 PM |
| Posted By Michael Kelly on 01/26/2012 11:35 AM Posted By Alex Kogan on 01/26/2012 11:24 AM
That pretty much setup I've had. Except I used regular toshiba laptop with SSD (absolute must, anything else will die). I kept it in a pocket behind passanger sit. Don't put it too far away. Often there is something you need to fiddle with and and touch on windows OS is ain't no Ipad/Android. Invest in trackball or USB touchpad. Of course I use NG TOPO that's really not built for touch interface. Wish I gave Craig's ON a go but I already got full set of maps for TOPO.[/quote]
I was contemplating a trackball or small touchpad mouse, velcroed somewhere easy for me to manipulate. Without a right click button, I would be floundering in windows, I think.
Once I'm in ON, I'll be good to go.
You can setup ON to automatically start, by dropping a shortcut into the Startup Menu. Makes it a little easier. :) |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 26 Jan 2012 09:12 PM |
| Yeah, I've got 4 huge icons on my desktop as it is right now. ON, ON Settings, My FSM, and my Scantool. Super simple for touch screen only ops.
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 28 Jan 2012 03:07 PM |
| Alright everyone, my Proximus just arrived in the mail. It was packed and shipped very well, though I am a bit perturbed that I called and specifically asked for signature required delivery and it showed up on my front porch while I was at the grocery store. Oh well, it's here now. For reference, I ordered from Tiger Direct and got the free shipping deal. My initial impression when holding the box was that this thing is heavy... but it turns out the mount itself is heavy. The screen itself is perfect, in my opinion... exactly what I was looking for with regards to size and clarity. I can see glare being a potential issue, but that will remain to be seen. It was a straight forward install with the drivers CD. I set up the windows settings for display and what not, and set the Proximus as my main moniter. Here are some pics: |
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Mike Kelly
 Basic Member Posts:471
 | | 28 Jan 2012 03:12 PM |
| The screen looks much larger in the photos than it is... probably the perspective. A few things to note: - It comes with a stylus built in to the back of it. This was a pleasant surprise, for sure. - It comes with a flat black plastic cover for the screen. This was an even more pleasant surprise. - There is a touch screen keyboard utility that comes with the drivers. It's a little tab on the left of the screen on the desktop... pretty sharp, and makes this much more usable than I originally anticipated. - Single tap is a click, double tap is a double click, and holding your stylus/finger down is a right click. Between this and the keyboard, I have full control over windows. Very nice! - It has a threaded nutsert on the back of it for mounting to the stand it came with. This would be extremely easy to fab a bracket for, it's completely flat on the back. A few more pics of the accessories, the toughbook it will be running with, and what ON looks like running in a window. I'm going to stick with that so I can minimize it and get back to windows without pulling the toughbook out from under a seat.. |
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