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Craig Miller
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| | 21 Mar 2011 10:01 PM |
| Did you buy Clark's old setup?
For this project, you should give pirate4x4.com a try. Much more in line with your build goals than the NW Overland Society. |
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pross
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| | 21 Mar 2011 10:12 PM |
| no Im doing this to my 92 that was already pretty setup for this im on pirate but theres not to many land rover guys on there. |
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Craig Miller
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| | 21 Mar 2011 10:19 PM |
| Clark Bowen just had his RRC roll cage, soft top, and a bunch of other bits/pieces for $1000. I thought you might have bought it from him.
Interesting about Pirate. A few years back all the LR buggy guys were on there, Greg Davis, Lane, Peter, Dino, etc. I don't think anyone on here has ever built a LR w/ 36" tires. Steve Rupp ran 35s for a while but he doesn't really check the site. I'd call Rovertym about the lift, and Keith at Rovertracks about the axles. Most of those guys hang out on Discoweb too.
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pross
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| | 21 Mar 2011 10:41 PM |
| Iv got some good info from discoweb, pirate im searching more found a few things. I did try rovertyme but the springs I wanted they dont have anymore. thanks for the tip on the axles I dont know why Ive had trouble finding some? |
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Tony Sims
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| | 22 Mar 2011 12:11 AM |
| Check in on D90.com for user "Buckon37s". I think he is on Pirate too. He, as his username suggests, has a D90 on 37's. He might have some suggestions.
For 6" of lift, it's probably worth looking into a coilover setup, it might pencil out in a cost comparison with all the parts needed to get the stock configuration to work at that lift.
These guys have alot of options www.offroad-engineering.com/
X2 on Rovertracks for axles, not much out there in Landy world that beats Keith's.
Are you thinking about building a 3 link for the front? |
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Mike Rupp
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| | 22 Mar 2011 06:26 AM |
| If you are going to go to 35"s or bigger you'll want to think about doing a Toyota third swap or new axles. Anything HD made for the rover housings isn't going to do the job
Just call Keith. He'll give you a good idea of what you'll need. |
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Scott Williams
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| | 22 Mar 2011 07:25 AM |
| Posted By Mike Rupp on 03/22/2011 6:26 AM
If you are going to go to 35"s or bigger you'll want to think about doing a Toyota third swap or new axles. Anything HD made for the rover housings isn't going to do the job
Just call Keith. He'll give you a good idea of what you'll need. x2. You are going to be perpetually chasing weak links through the rover housings, axles to diff and then ring and pinion. For what you are wanting I think Toyota thirds offer the best option. Call Keith! :)
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pross
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| | 22 Mar 2011 10:50 AM |
| Ill look into the toyota third I was thinking of dana 60s off a ford f350 diesel sitting at my shop (I busted the cab in half jumping it). Im thinking of making a four link for it. |
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pross
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| | 22 Mar 2011 10:57 AM |
| For shocks and springs I decided on buget savers the rancho RS5034 and eibach custom made my lowering springs for my hyundai back in 05 as a sponser and the rep is a good freind he was talking about 600 to make some custom long travel springs with whatever lift I need. Im on a budget of $3000 for this build |
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Tony Sims
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| | 22 Mar 2011 11:03 AM |
| Dana 60's would win the strength challenge over the Toy axles.
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pross
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| | 22 Mar 2011 12:02 PM |
| yup but I want this up and running by the end of april so I think the easy solution is go with 33s or 35s till I have more time like next winter. |
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Andy Berglund
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| | 24 Mar 2011 03:05 PM |
| While 60s would be strongest, I bet that the hi-pinion Toys would be plenty strong, esp as stuff gets chopped out of the RRC. That and Keith is the man with Toy stuff in this situation so you can get a lot of stuff from him. I assume by now you've found the LR subforum on pirate? |
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pross
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| | 24 Mar 2011 08:32 PM |
| yeah I dont know why I didnt notice it sooner but I think Im going to keep it land rover and go with smaller tires ill pick up the rovertracks front and rear axles and go with trutrack lockers only because the rep is a freind and offered me strait cost on them and this is a budget build. |
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Andy Berglund
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| | 24 Mar 2011 08:38 PM |
| You're running 35s and soft lockers? I am aware of the budget but tires of that size on a bobbed truck imply a performance envelope higher than what TTs and Rover housings can provide.
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Tony Sims
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| | 25 Mar 2011 04:58 AM |
| If you can get TT's, I assume you can get Detroit Lockers? Might as well put a locker at least on the back axle. And you should consider trussing the axle casings, and pegging the ring gears. If on-road performance isn't a priority, maybe go for SIII diffs with 4.7 r/p? Then use a Disco 1.2 LT230, and with 35's you will still be able to get 60-65 mph on the pavement.
I'm of mixed feelings about HD axle shafts. LR axle shafts are easy to swap, spares are cheap, and they make a good "weak link" that doesn't break other things. Maybe stick with stock axles on the rear and a locker, and HD shafts and CV's on the front with a TT.
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Mike Rupp
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| | 25 Mar 2011 06:18 AM |
| Tony, if you have an ARB or stock diffs, they generally hold up when the rear axles snap, but Detroits don't. Usually once an axle breaks, the internals of the Detroit break making it into a spool. |
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Craig Miller
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| | 25 Mar 2011 04:43 PM |
| Posted By Mike Rupp on 03/25/2011 6:18 AM
Tony, if you have an ARB or stock diffs, they generally hold up when the rear axles snap, but Detroits don't. Usually once an axle breaks, the internals of the Detroit break making it into a spool.
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Tony Sims
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| | 26 Mar 2011 02:49 AM |
| Posted By Craig Miller on 03/25/2011 4:43 PM Posted By Mike Rupp on 03/25/2011 6:18 AM
Tony, if you have an ARB or stock diffs, they generally hold up when the rear axles snap, but Detroits don't. Usually once an axle breaks, the internals of the Detroit break making it into a spool.[/quote]
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Well, a Detroit is only about one evolutionary step away from a Lincoln locker anyway... |
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Mike Rupp
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| | 26 Mar 2011 08:12 AM |
| Have you ever owned one? While I am underwhelmed by the tt in front, I love the Detroit. It performs beautifully with the full time fwd on a Disco. When the cdl is unlocked, it unlocks perfectly and is imperceptible. The weight distribution of the Disco makes the front end a little lighter resulting in less traction. The front wheels lose traction before the rears and the Detroit can easily unlock.
Lock the cdl, and the truck is a beast offroad. Get into an off camber skippy trail, unlock the cdl and no more crabbing downhill.
A Detroit in a Disco is a work of art. Most people get anecdotal evidence of the horrible manners of a Detroit, but when probed it's revealed that it was usually on a jeep or some other truck with conventional 4wd and it is mostly driven in 2wd. It can be challenging to make the mental leap that the two scenarios are apples and oranges. |
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