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Craig Miller
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02/06/2009 10:37 PM Alert 

Oh.. and anyone please feel free to disagree with me if my assessment of any of these vehicles is messed up. I certainly don't know everything about all vehicles. I am considering replacement options for my truck, but I'm also using the opportunity to have fun examining all the trucks out there.

I gotta say, the older Mitsubishi's are pretty darn impressive - especially for the price. There were a couple of vehicles that use the diesel engine that goes into those, so a swap would be pretty straight forward. It is definitely an overlooked vehicle.  8k for a clean, low mileage, diesel powered 4x4.  That's a great value.

Craig


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02/06/2009 10:41 PM Alert 

I dont know much about Toyota's but this has overland capable written all over it... as well as expensive.






Tony Sims



02/06/2009 10:56 PM Alert 
I don't think FJ60/62 LC's are much if any bigger than a LWB RRC. They are leaf sprung, but that doesn't seem a big downside. I'm not sure a RRC would be any better fit for your height than a Disco. Have you tried sitting in one?

Tony
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Craig Miller
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02/06/2009 11:07 PM Alert 
I've driven an RRC and had not trouble at all. Don't have any trouble in the DII either. The D1 bugs me at stoplights.

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Craig Miller
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02/06/2009 11:09 PM Alert 
Posted By James Burgett on 02/06/2009 10:41 PM

I dont know much about Toyota's but this has overland capable written all over it... as well as expensive.


James - Have you looked through our photo albums?  We've done a trip with that truck, and Scott is one of our sponsors (Overland Journal).

 

It is a nice truck and is one of the ones on my shortlist in the initial post.  Too bad it doesn't run diesel, but it isn't a deal breaker.  I know my son and dog would fit in the back because Pasquale sat back there with his video camera all the way to the Arctic Ocean from Arizona! 

 


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Tom Lowell



02/06/2009 11:40 PM Alert 

Search here for TDi or deisel swap Vanagon Synco, I've read a couple threads on them here. (Not that I'm saying they are reliable)  Man, there are some sweet Syncro's on this site.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewforum.php?f=20&topicdays=0&start=150&sid=5e7bf7e980ddaa6e3760df5935379518

Petersen's 4Wheel Off Road magazine is suppossed to have a big Expedition Rig Buyer's Guide article for the June issue.  But they told me they may only show one rig that is less than $50,000.

Nevak Risew



02/06/2009 11:43 PM Alert 

I agree that simpler is better when it comes to this kind of vehicle. I loved my 87 Range Rover (so much that it still sits in my driveway!), and it never let me down. If something went wrong, it was fixable, or not trip ending. My short list is pretty much like Craig's with a couple of exceptions.

RRC, the simpler the better, which sends us back to 1987-88, or early grey markets. Gord'n is rehabbing what I believe is a 1972? RRC that was a pop up camper. It's rough, and the top wasn't fastened down before it was shipped, so that flew off somewhere in the Mid-West. 300tdi.

My TLC preference is FJ60. I love those. Well, I really love FJ55s, but in reality, those are hard to find in decent shape. Also would love a BJ75 diesel. Slobber.

If you're going to think Defender, I say 127 or 130 HiCap tdi??? Maybe a different color...

 

 






Craig Miller
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02/06/2009 11:54 PM Alert 
Yeah, I was thinking hunter or 87 Rangie for sure Kevan. I'm still interested in yours btw.

The 127/130s are sweet, but seem a little long for the PNW. The reality is that I want my truck to be comfortable on trails and still work as a family camper.

C

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Craig Miller
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02/06/2009 11:58 PM Alert 
Posted By Tom Lowell on 02/06/2009 11:40 PM

Search here for TDi or deisel swap Vanagon Synco, I've read a couple threads on them here. (Not that I'm saying they are reliable)  Man, there are some sweet Syncro's on this site.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewforum.php?f=20&topicdays=0&start=150&sid=5e7bf7e980ddaa6e3760df5935379518

Petersen's 4Wheel Off Road magazine is suppossed to have a big Expedition Rig Buyer's Guide article for the June issue.  But they told me they may only show one rig that is less than $50,000.



I love the Syncros, but they sell for a lot.  I grew up camping with our families 67 VW bus that later became my first car.  After becoming an owner I subscribed to Hot VWs and became a car enthusiast.  Eventually I sold sold my bus for $700 just before leaving for college.  I have a really hard time accepting what a syncro sells for... then again, I never should have sold the bus.

Craig

 


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Tom Lowell



02/07/2009 12:14 AM Alert 

In the early '90's I was looking at a used Syncro Westy for $14,000;  about what you'd pay now for a half way decent one.  Refurbished  on the Van Cafe inventory can go for $40k and more.

Dale Avery



02/07/2009 9:21 AM Alert 

Craig,

I've mounted tents on a couple of Canadian 45 cruisers.  Drooled all over both of them.  They are loaded with electronic windows,etc., however.  The turbo diesel is world renowned and gets great mileage.  the only minor issue is right-hand drive.  But everyone I spoke with says it takes one or two days most and you're used to it.

All the big Toyota Cruiser are heavy.  But they are also tanks and you can carry four humans and a dog or two with lots of room to spare. 

I'm surprised you don't like the Montero.  The early series looked like a knockoff of the RRC to me.  The last version brought over here, according to Wiki, looks very interesting.  I just may have to look into those myself.


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Ryan Hall



02/07/2009 11:34 AM Alert 

Stay with Gen 1 or Gen 2 Monteros. They are the more reliable and capable vehicles. I have always thought they looked like the G Wagons.


Ryan
Dale Avery



02/07/2009 11:48 AM Alert 

Thanks for the advice Ryan; I'll take a look at them.

Actually, I think my next purchase will be a F650GS Dakar.  I have wanted to get into two wheel trail riding for 20 years.  I'm running out of time, so better get at it.


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2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike
Craig Miller
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02/07/2009 12:35 PM Alert 

Dale,

I like the Montero, just not the aesthetics.

I think we must be talking about different BJ45s. I'm not sure that the BJ45 I'm talking about even has turn signals and headlights. I think youhave to tape surefire flashlights to the front and stick your arm out to signal.

Surfing some more last night though, and I think a BJ44 is more to my liking.  Bigger, but not too big.

Craig

Picture is of a BJ45

 







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Tony Sims



02/07/2009 2:27 PM Alert 
Posted By Tom Lowell on 02/07/2009 12:14 AM

In the early '90's I was looking at a used Syncro Westy for $14,000;  about what you'd pay now for a half way decent one.  Refurbished  on the Van Cafe inventory can go for $40k and more.


Emphasis on "...and more."

www.gowesty.com/vehicle_details.php

www.gowesty.com/sale_details.php


Tony
I'm a Woodcock Johnson achiever!
'92 RRC County "Thirsty" RIP...
'84 110/300TDi "Smokey" Sold
1984 Toyota FJ60 "Dusty"
Ben Bailey



02/07/2009 5:37 PM Alert 
Well, I gotta say, I'm sort of looking the other way. I just don't have the time to put into repairing all the issues that older vehicles end up having, so I am leaning toward keeping my wife's '04 with a 100k mile warranty. That said, if I do find a 110 to import, I will do it. But I would put either a Tdi or 4.6l into it. I won't pass up the opportunity. Also, I would like a LWB, but I still can't convince my wife to go for one again. She's all about searching for a 110 though, so she's alright.

Anyway, I like being able to work on my cars, but only if I want to, only when I want to, and only when I have decided to spend the money on shiny new things to put on it. When something goes wrong with my daily driver, I get all stressed out about it. Having the warranty has done wonders for my wallet, and my stress levels.


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Brian Rutherford



02/07/2009 7:25 PM Alert 

What is it about your current vehicle that you don't like? You have a list of what you are looking for, but what is making you look?

 

Brian


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Tom Lowell



02/07/2009 7:52 PM Alert 

"F"J45.

Tom Lowell



02/07/2009 7:55 PM Alert 

Thanks for pointing that out: I guess I can justify increasing my build budget and still be a lot cheaper!  Now for the revenue to fill the expanded budget...hmm.

TooRisky



02/07/2009 10:10 PM Alert 

To me any vehicle that is combat tested or comes from the roots of combat is gonna be a top runner in our relm of exploring....thus my 77 Jeep SJ and its ability to to eat any other up on the trail....just try...lol

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