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Chris Antonelli



03/08/2009 1:54 PM Alert 

Hi All,

I just got a "Service Engine Soon" light pop on. This was after a fill-up and car wash, but may not be related to that...

What are the reasons that the "Service Engine Soon" light comes on...do Land Rovers throw this light by mileage to make you go see the dealer? What types of reasons have you seen?

I have not had the code read yet, but will probably do over the next few days...

Thanks, Chris

Ben Bailey



03/08/2009 2:19 PM Alert 
I can't remember, but isn't that the one where you really should have the engine serviced? The Check Engine light is more of a code popper, the service engine soon is RED in color, isn't it? I'd double check the driver's manual before driving it anymore.

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Chris Antonelli



03/08/2009 2:25 PM Alert 
Thanks Ben...It is a yellow light...
Craig Miller
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03/08/2009 3:58 PM Alert 

The D2 only has a Service Engine Soon light. If it is lit up solid it means you've thrown an OBD2 code. If it is flashing, pull over and call a tow truck immediately.

Since yours is lit solid, you need to plug an OBDII reader into the OBDII port and read the code. The code(s) will tell you what system is causing trouble... well, what sensor got a bad value or what sensor is failing. Since you just refueled, there is a good chance that you have an EVAP leak... aka you forgot to put your gas cap back on tight. Here's hoping for the best outcome possible.


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Ben Bailey



03/08/2009 4:29 PM Alert 
Oh yeah, that's right. I knew there was something I was missing.

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Chris Antonelli



03/08/2009 5:44 PM Alert 
Cool, thanks guys...I will get it checked out...Mine IS NOT blinking, but if it was... what would that mean?
Chris Antonelli



03/08/2009 7:04 PM Alert 
Ok, the code was P0174 System to lean Bank2

I reset the code and it has not re-faulted
Larry Grubbs



03/08/2009 7:06 PM Alert 
This is for a DII right? It seems like I got that code a few times and as odd as it seems, new plugs AND wires fixed the problem.

Larry
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Chris Antonelli



03/08/2009 7:48 PM Alert 
Yep disco2...and it just re-faulted now... Sigh! Any more thouhts on this...Is it safe for fam to drive around town without breaking down?
Craig Miller
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03/08/2009 8:13 PM Alert 
Posted By Chris Antonelli on 03/08/2009 5:44 PM
Cool, thanks guys...I will get it checked out...Mine IS NOT blinking, but if it was... what would that mean?


If it was blinking, something really bad would be wrong.  If you keep driving it, you risk damaging the engine.  A solid light, just means that something isn't quite right so you should get it looked at when you get a chance.

 


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Andy Hough



03/09/2009 7:23 AM Alert 

The code you have registered is not really that critical, I don't think you need to worry about the truck leaving you stranded, but you should give it some attention to resolve the issue.


P0174 OBD-II Trouble Code
Technical DescriptionSystem Too Lean (Bank 2)

What does that mean?Basically this means that an oxygen sensor in bank 2 detected a lean condition (too much oxygen in the exhaust). On V6/V8/V10 engines, Bank 2 is generally the side of the engine that doesn't have cylinder #1.

Note: This DTC is very similar to P0171, and in fact your vehicle may show both codes at the same time.



SymptomsYou will more than likely not notice any drivability problems, although there may be symptoms such as a lack of power, detonation (spark knock), and/or a hesitation/surge on acceleration.

CausesA code P0174 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:

The MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor is dirty or faulty. Note: The use of "oiled" air filters can cause the MAF to become dirty if the filter is over-oiled. There is also an issue with some vehicles where the MAF sensors leak the silicone potting material used to protect the circuitry.
There could be a vacuum leak downstream of the MAF sensor.
Possible SolutionsPossible solutions include:

In the vast majority of cases, simply cleaning the MAF sensor does the trick. Consult your service manual for it's location if you need help. I find it's best to take it off and spray it with electronics cleaner or brake cleaner. Make sure you are careful not to damage the MAF sensor, and make sure it's dry before reinstalling
Inspect all vacuum and PCV hoses, replace if necessary
Check for a dirty fuel filter and proper fuel pressure


from: http://www.obd-codes.com/p0174


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Scott Williams
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03/10/2009 9:17 AM Alert 
Look for a disconnected or missing vacuum cap on the right hand (passenger side) of the intake manifold. If it were a MAF it would throw both P0171, and P0174. If isolated to one bank you are looking for something which will affect just that one bank. DO NOT attempt to clean the sensor. D2 sensors do not like chemicals. Look for a vacuum leak first if your code returns. If both 171, 174 were set and it was in fact a MAF sensor issue you would also have P0733, and/or P0734 stored in the transmission ECU. The trans ecu used the MAF and crank position sensor to determine the turbine input speed. When the MAF goes out of range then it also upsets the transmission ecu's calulated turbine speed and throws it's own set of codes.

Scott

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Chris Antonelli



03/10/2009 10:38 AM Alert 
Thank you Andy and Scott, both really good info. I will start troubleshooting it and look for a vacuum leak...I'll keep the post updated.
Chris Antonelli



03/19/2009 12:34 AM Alert 
Alrighty Gents...I need to take my poor sick disco to a mechanic...still throwing the code, running a little rough at some stop lights, and has the smell of unburned gas when I get out of the cab...

My questions is this...We have had a fair amount of problems with our disco which has about 174k miles...head gasket replacement twice (double ouch), front drive train replacement (ouch)...and now this...I want to get ahead of the curve if we can, but am not sure if it is worth the investment or just get this issue fixed whatever it is, sell it, and buy a newer model with fewer miles...repairs costing $1-2K per hit is starting to wear me down.

If I do decide to repair and keep the vehicle I will not be returning to my mechanic because he is not a Rover expert...I want someone who knows their stuff and can get us to a place where it is safe to go into the back country ...so who should I take it to in the greater Seattle area...any suggestions on a good mechanic or dealership?
Craig Miller
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03/19/2009 12:43 AM Alert 
Biggs is the only real option. Columbia Rovers does a great job, but they are in Portland. Jeffrey Steiner (Bradford Rovers) is working at a German/Import Autohaus in Bellingham now if you want to take it to him.

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Andy Berglund



03/19/2009 12:53 AM Alert 
I agree with Craig's suggestion. I just drive/tow my truck to either of Columbia Rover's locations. In fact, I think it's probably spent a third of its life with Scott.

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Chris Antonelli



03/19/2009 1:49 AM Alert 
Ok thanks Guys...I guess we will take it to Biggs...since it is our main vehicle taking it to Portland is not an option
Andy Hough



03/19/2009 8:07 AM Alert 
Biggs is good, they have worked on my D1 in the past. Eventually they will be pulling my engine to reseal it, whenever I can be without the truck for a few days......

DD: 2009 Chevy HHR 1LT
Toy: 1999 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
Andy Berglund



03/19/2009 10:48 AM Alert 
Posted By Andy Hough on 03/19/2009 8:07 AM
Biggs is good, they have worked on my D1 in the past. Eventually they will be pulling my engine to reseal it, whenever I can be without the truck for a few days......


They are going to seal your engine in carbonite? 


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Andy Hough



03/19/2009 12:27 PM Alert 

That might be the only thing that could keep it from leaking!

 


DD: 2009 Chevy HHR 1LT
Toy: 1999 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
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