Don Childers Member Sponsor


 | | 02/20/2010 11:15 PM |
Alert | I've been doing some reading about the differences between the Land Rover Discovery series. One thing that I'm confused about is the locking center differential. I've read that certain years of Discovery IIs don't have the locking center differential. What does that mean? Do these vehicles not have 4WD? I've heard that there is a fix. What is it? Is it an extensive modification? So what years are affected by this? I'm looking at maybe buying a 2000 Discovery II. Is this model year affected as well? It seems like all of the Discovery IIs I've seen still have the "Diff Lock" lever on the console. Is this cosmetic on the years that don't have a center locking differential? What happens on the vehicles that don't have the locking differential? Does that mean that you don't have a true 2 speed transfer case? Is there no low range? I'm used to my 2H N 4H 4L (NP241, NV271/273) transfer cases with actual shifting levers. I guess that's old school. I'm imagining that on non-locking differential models it would be like a 2L setting where you would be able to run both driveshafts but the transfer case would not lock the front and rear axles together. Any info is very appreciated. I searched the forums but couldn't really find the answer other than Craig Miller's transfer case lock addition on his '99. So I assume that '99 on may not have the locking center differential. Do most people that want to use these trucks offroad rectify this situation? Thanks again, --Don | | | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/20/2010 11:48 PM |
Alert | Don,
A 2000 has a locking LT230 transfer case in it, but it DOES NOT have the lever to engage it. Confusing, I know. The lever you are seeing is a Hi/Low range selector, but doesn't simultaneously lock the transfer case. It is still an AWD center differential, but cannot be "locked" unless you install a lever that supports Hi/Low and 4Hi/4Low. The 2004 model year had such a lever, and you can retrofit a 99/00 truck with the lever. Lucky8llc.com sells the levers and linkage you need and it's a pretty easy thing to fit to the truck. They have a video on YouTube showing how to do it.
Craig
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Danny Stevens


 | | 02/21/2010 11:30 AM |
Alert | Lucky 8 AKA Justin has some real nice choices. Also try Toddco..... He usually ahs a good cheaper version. I got mine from Toddco for $160.......... WOrks great and much cheaper than the lucky 8 version. Although the Lucky8 is new.... Toddco is used but good stuff....
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Don Childers Member Sponsor


 | | 02/21/2010 9:07 PM |
Alert | Thank you very much Craig and Danny for the advice. Craig, your explanation was just what I was looking for. | | | |
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Ed Sanman


 | | 02/22/2010 11:38 AM |
Alert | I have a shift lever available here in the Portland area, and could ship. I'm heading out on a short ski trip to Bachelor, so if anyone tries to contact me, it'll be Friday before I see it. | | | |
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Andy Berglund


 | | 02/22/2010 1:10 PM |
Alert | I thought that certain years were not only missing the linkage but were also absent a lockable center diff in the housing itself? I recalled the criteria for a lockable LT230 transfer case was the presence or absence of the "nipple" on the top of the house that the lock/unlock linkage attached to.
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/22/2010 1:19 PM |
Alert | | Yes, that's true Andy. He was asking about an 00 and that's why I listed 99/00 in my reply. I can't remember the last model year that still has the "nipple". | | My Overland Adventure Blog | |
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Chris Nordstrom


 | | 02/22/2010 5:31 PM |
Alert | A quick intro. My name is Chris and I have spent time on this sight for a little over a year now, but this is my first response to anything. I have a 2000 D2 that I swapped out my factory cable Hi/Lo linkage with a D1 direct lever link so that I could use the center diff/lock that the transfer case is set up with. It bolted directly on top of the case and only require a little minor bending of one of the arms to connect it with the nipple. I got the parts off a D1 parts truck. More time is spent taking apart and re-installing the center console. | | | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/22/2010 8:26 PM |
Alert | | As long as we are being thorough... I have an AMV solenoid actuated linkage in my DII as it or the D1 linkage were the only option at the time I bought mine. IMO, the 2004 linkage is the *cleanest* way to do it though any of the 3 methods mentioned will work reliably and function properly. | | My Overland Adventure Blog | |
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Andy Berglund


 | | 02/22/2010 8:38 PM |
Alert | I thought we ought to clarify which years did not have the "nippled" transfer case. IIRC it was '01-'03? Probably wrong.
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Andy Berglund


 | | 02/22/2010 10:39 PM |
Alert | No I think you're closer because I recalled that it couldn't just be simple and change at the start of a model year. Anyhow, I thought it would be helpful to mention since the OP said he was looking to buy.
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Todd Eliason Title Sponsor


 | | 02/22/2010 11:14 PM |
Alert | I was born in 1969... And I have nipples. So does my 00 DII. | | 93 LR Defender 110 05 Land Rover LR3 | |
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Ryan Hall


 | | 02/23/2010 6:46 AM |
Alert | Lol, nice Todd!. I have an 01 and it has the "nipple". | | Ryan | |
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Dave Blair


 | | 02/24/2010 7:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By Andy Berglund on 02/22/2010 10:39 PM
No I think you're closer because I recalled that it couldn't just be simple and change at the start of a model year. Anyhow, I thought it would be helpful to mention since the OP said he was looking to buy.
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I was told recently that the nipple may be missing but the parts are still there inside the transfer case, and that someone has a kit to restore the nipple to the top of the case. (trying hard here to not turn this into non-family content)
I used the method discussed here to enable my CDL on my 1999 D2. I also snipped the wire under the glove box that causes the HDC and ETC to be disabled after a restart. Instructions can be found at the bottom of this page. Click on Installation Instructions, and then down to "To finish off the job..." I find that the combination of ETC and CDL works excellent for treading lightly and getting everywhere you want to go. 
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Garrett Grebe Member Sponsor


 | | 02/25/2010 10:41 AM |
Alert | | Why would one NOT want ETC while the CDL is locked? | | K2KIL | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/25/2010 11:13 AM |
Alert | Because ETC brings ABS with it, and ABS isn't always desired. Without ABS, you can lock your wheels up and allow a wedge of gravel/rock to form in front of the tires, but can still manually pump the brakes to approximate the behavior of ABS when needed. | | My Overland Adventure Blog | |
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Scott Williams Member Sponsor


 | | 02/25/2010 11:23 AM |
Alert | Garrett,
You DO want ETC with CDL. It will give you maximum traction in stock trim. '04 D2's have CDL + ETC. It is a great combo.
The switch is to allow you to diff lock without having the SLABS ECU know you have diff locked. That way ETC will remain active. Land Rover originally left the CDL in the transfer case on early D2's to allow for emergency operation in case you needed to remove a propshaft. With one prop shaft out you don't want ETC trying to work since it won't have power to either the front or rear wheels. Thus when you lock an early D2 case the CDL switch tells the SLABS ECU to disable ETC. :-) | | "I could never work here with you guys. All I would do is sniff markers and throw things into the streets." Rick Lindgren | |
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Garrett Grebe Member Sponsor


 | | 02/25/2010 12:01 PM |
Alert | Scott- perfect description, in fact that was me when I changed out the front shaft to rebuild it. I had to use channel locks to turn the "nipple" and drove around RWD for a couple days.
I'm curious as to what ETC is really doing. I've always supposed that it's applying pressure to the individual brake of a wheel that is spinning. True? If so, does it just suck? I had two tires with really decent traction and two others (front left and right rear) that were spinning like mad and thus needed yesterday's recovery.
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