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Todd Eliason
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02/25/2010 1:14 PM Alert 

Not sure of the situation, but you have to let it work a little on the DII and gently keep your foot in it as you feel the traction control/ABS kick in.  I know of many folks that once the "shudder" starts, let off the gas.  Don't gun it, just keep even pressure on the throttle and it will start working, but will feel like something is wrong at first if you are not used to it.

However, if the 3 amigos are on, it won't work, ETC is disengaged.

Or you can fake it sometimes by applying brake manually as you throttle.

I'm not sure if it is a Wabco, or Lucas system off the top of my head.  As for your statement <True? If so, does it just suck?> , if it is Lucas - it has been said that they once made a vaccum cleaner simply to validate their position that they DO make a product that doesn't suck. 


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Garrett Grebe
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02/25/2010 4:04 PM Alert 
It's Wabco and I tried all of the use the brake/even throttle tricks... nothing worked. It was just a crappy scenario it was in. I'm just interested in the actual mechanics of what ETC is doing.

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Todd Eliason
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02/25/2010 4:26 PM Alert 

Could you hear the ABS system kick in with the RrRrRrRr noise?  Did the traction control light kick on?  I wonder if it wasn't trigering?  Our 2000 DII didn't trigger when the 3 amigos were on and it made a huge difference in the traction it got when it did trigger (thanks to Columbia Rovers fixing it).


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Garrett Grebe
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02/25/2010 4:42 PM Alert 
Yup. It was working, I could hear it. Columbia replaced my unit last July.

Had it been not working, my wife wouldn't have been able to make it up the initial climb -which, in this case, would have been a good thing! :-)



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Don Childers
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02/26/2010 6:03 PM Alert 

What a good discussion. This is great info.

Craig Miller
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02/27/2010 1:10 AM Alert 
Posted By Craig Miller on 02/25/2010 11:13 AM

Because ETC brings ABS with it, and ABS isn't always desired. Without ABS, you can lock your wheels up and allow a wedge of gravel/rock to form in front of the tires, but can still manually pump the brakes to approximate the behavior of ABS when needed.

 


I should add to this... with a center locking differential (CDL), and front/rear lockers, I don't need ETC at all when I'm offroad.  So, for me, the cons of the ABS systems offroad behavior outweigh any benefits the ETC might provide.  On the road, in compact snow/ice I like all the diffs unlocked and my ETC/ABS on.  They work great in these situations.  Having all the options does require one to think a fair amount while driving.  I enjoy giving all the manual input to the truck though.  Picking a line, picking a gear, pumping the brakes, engaging the locker in cross-axle situations, leaving the diffs open on slippery sidehills, etc is all part of the fun.

ETC doesn't drive itself, as Todd mentioned you still need to know how to drive the truck to take advantage of it.  I only say this, because people like to make fun of trucks with electronic traction aids as making drivers stupid.  That's anything but the truth.  Everyone, even with ETC, manual lockers, or Limited Slip Differentials needs to know how the work and how to drive to make use of each technology.

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Scott Williams
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03/02/2010 12:25 PM Alert 
What ETC is doing:

Using the SLABS ECU wheel speed sensor feedback, the ECU determines which wheels are spinning faster than the others relative to vehicle speed and applies brake pressure via the ABS modulator to stop/slow the spinning wheel/s directing power to the wheel/s with traction. Because it utilizes the brake system keeping throttle pressure and engine power up is critical in order for the system to be effective. Normal open diff wisdom would be let up on the throttle to reduce wheel spin and regain traction but with ETC it is the opposite. The ETC can apply braking pressure to 3 wheels at a time as needed directing power to only one wheel if necessary. Remember that it is just part of your traction solution. Tire selection and pressure play a critical role as with anything. I have had ETC and an open center diff get me just about anywhere I want to go because I understand what it is doing and how to utilize it. As Todd said generally people bail on it before it has a chance to work. It takes some experimentation to get comfortable with but once you do I think you'll like it.

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Andy Berglund



03/02/2010 9:22 PM Alert 
Posted By Scott Williams on 03/02/2010 12:25 PM
It takes some experimentation to get comfortable with but once you do I think you'll like it.

 

 

Hell yeah you will!


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Isaac Fain



03/02/2010 9:58 PM Alert 
"you're doing anything special at all! You're just stomping on the gas!"

Rick, upon watching Ike drive his truck at Manastash.

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Garrett Grebe
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03/03/2010 5:36 PM Alert 

Thanks to my wife having the camera, here are shots of the stuckage...

No matter what level of throttle, tire pressure or brake-pumping (tried it all) it wouldn't budge.

And to keep this from being a complete thread hijack - I'm buying a CDL kit from Lucky 8 this month.

I (and my wife) need to wheel more and need to see others get stuck and unstuck.  










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Craig Miller
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03/03/2010 6:38 PM Alert 

Looks like it is high centered.  A shovel and some sweat would have helped get it unstuck.

Other than a CDL check out Bill Burke's "Getting Unstuck" video. It will give you guys the foundation you'll need and is an excellent introduction to offroad recovery. We have a movie loan thread on here somewhere, so I'm sure someone could mail it to you if you don't want to buy it.

Bill really likes the Hi-lift jack due to it's versatility. Another option for a relatively stock vehicle is a hand winch. You'll need recovery points front/rear and a few accessories but most of them can be used with a regular winch if you buy one later.

Craig


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Andy Berglund



03/03/2010 7:17 PM Alert 
In wet snow such as we have here there isn't a whole lot that you could have done without a shovel and some time, unfortunately. I have had numerous opportunities to get high centered like that in the snow. Good times!

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