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Chris Silva



02/21/2010 12:10 PM Alert 

Hi,

  Just an update on my 99 Discovery II.  I spent a few hours yesterday changing the spark plug wires.  I think I still had the original wires at 120,000 miles.  They were in pretty bad shape.  I had one boot that was almost broken in half and most likely arcing.  Anyway, after much twisting, cussing, scrapes and bruises, I managed to change all 8 wires without removing the intake plenum.  Not fun, but possible.  It runs smoother and has more power.  Who knows, I may get one or two more mpg too (getting around 14.5 mpg now).

  Next on the list is replacing all the u-joints (front and rear) and the front centering ball.  The parts are already on order so that will be my next project before they fail and destroy something.  I can feel play in them when I speed up and decelerate.  I'm hopeful that this isn't as difficult as the plug wires were, but we'll see!

  I took it in Saturday for a front end alignment and was told that it can not be aligned due to the tie rod ends being worn out.  Sooo, that's on the list too and the parts have been ordered.  Rock Auto (on line) seems to have good prices on name brand parts so that's where I ordered this stuff.

Precision U-joints $18.07/each (needed four of them)

Ball Centering kit $26.79/each

Tie Rod Ends $24.79/each

  Oh, and now the air suspension.  The bags are losing air overnight and I have to inflate them in the morning.  I haven't decided if I should simply replace the bags or just go with coil springs and get rid of the air suspension completely.  Advice??  Either way, the cost is about the same.  That's something I need to do fairly quickly as I don't want the compressor to fail or to be stuck driving around with the rear end completely on the bump stops.

  Also on the list are new brakes/rotors and oxygen sensors/catalytic converters......  It never ends.  I guess my hobby now days is working on my Land Rover!!!!

Take Care,

Chris 

 

 

Isaac Fain



02/21/2010 12:38 PM Alert 

Sounds to me like you're on your way to having a reliable truck. I had an '84 Camaro that needed the front wheels taken off to change the sparkplugs. not kidding - you had to access the rear plugs from the wheel well.

This is an ACE equipped truck, yes? I'm in the very small minority I'm sure, but I'd just replace the air springs and call it good. Almost everyone else is going to tell you to put on coils for simplicity, cost, and a wide range of other factors that have nothing to do with maintaining the stock abilities of your truck.

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-ike


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Dustin Morrow
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02/21/2010 8:52 PM Alert 

Way to go, Chris. Looks like fun! From the list of parts, it looks like your gonna be busy. I am assuming you opted to keep her huh?

Dustin


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Craig Miller
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02/21/2010 9:03 PM Alert 

As far as I know, ACE and air bag suspension aren't related. You can have air bags or coils with ACE.

Coils are simpler and generally more reliable offroad. The air bags are better for towing. If you want to keep the air bags but still lift the truck, you can move the rear sensors to fool the truck into lifting itself in the rear.  Swap front springs to get a smallish 1.5" OME lift.

I replaced my air bags with coils and don't regret the decision.

Craig


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Chris Silva



02/21/2010 9:59 PM Alert 
Yes, I have the air bag suspension. I haven't decided which way to go yet since I haven't located why it is losing air. I need to get under there with some soapy water and see if I can find the lead. It only does it a few times per week, so it's not all the time which really makes me wonder what is going on.

Dustin, Yes I decided to keep the DII. I was getting overwhelmed with all the stuff that needs to be addressed, but I'll just take it one thing at a time. I really like it and with the nicer weather, the dual sun roofs are really nice. Let me know when you want to hit the trail!! At some point it will have a 2" lift and BFT A/T's on it. Oh, and a CDL lock too.

One questions, if I do convert to coils I wonder if I can turn the stock compressor into on board air??? Maybe a small reserve air tank for filling tires...... Just an idea.

Chris
Andy Berglund



02/22/2010 9:21 AM Alert 
You could keep the compressor but it's kind of weak sauce for that application. Tires would take forever and you couldn't run tools. I'd get rid of it all and get a CO2 tank for on board air issues.

Andy

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Chris Nordstrom



02/22/2010 5:40 PM Alert 
I have a 2000 D2 that the air spring did the same thing. I did not have ACE. I replaced the air springs as my quick fix and everything was fine. Now a little over a year later I decided to start making my truck more capable. I added a 2" OME heavy duty spring kit and BFG 265/75 mud terrains. I added center diff lock linkage from a D1 parts truck. I guess what I am saying is try and plan ahead for what you want to do with your truck. If you plan on doing what I did, my opinion would be put the money toward the springs and not another air bag. The less to go wrong on the trail the better.
Chris Silva



02/24/2010 7:34 PM Alert 
Thanks for the replies. Hey Chris, do you have a picture of your DII? I'd like to see what it looks like with a 2" lift and that size tires.

Thanks,

Chris
Scott Williams
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02/24/2010 7:47 PM Alert 

Chris,

Be cautious replacing your own joints on the front prop shaft.  Make certain to mark the position of all flanges and collars for reinstallation or you will have a wicked vibration.  I would HIGHLY recommend you have it dynamically balancing when you are finished.  Here is a picture of my D2 which is 2 inch lift with BFG AT KO's.  Excellent setup.

Scott







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Scott Williams
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02/24/2010 7:51 PM Alert 
For clarification. ACE and SLS are separate systems. ACE = Active cornering enhancement and refers to the hydraulic sway bar system fitted. SLS = self leveling suspension system referring to the rear air springs. They are independent of each other and may or may not be fitted together.

"I could never work here with you guys. All I would do is sniff markers and throw things into the streets." Rick Lindgren
Jason Keaton



02/24/2010 9:28 PM Alert 

 I understand the love hate relationship that I think most Land Rover owners deal with.  Limited part supplies, constant leaks, quirky electrical issues on the older models etc.  Right now I have a misfire I am trying to find (I am close I think), my valve covers are leaking more than one would like, my front sunroof gets stuck every once and awhile and it requires me manually cranking back closed.  There are more issues than that but those are the few that I can think of right off the top of my head.  Oh, my rotoflex is starting to crack and it soon will be replaced by a standard u jointed shaft.

 

I have attached two pics.  One is the DII on 265/75's with no lift, the other same size tire but with 2" lift.










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Mike Rupp
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02/25/2010 6:07 AM Alert 
Jason, why are you switching to a standard u-jointed driveshaft? Are you going through rotoflexes quickly? D2s have a different suspension design in the rear than a D1. When the axle is pushed away from the frame by being lifted, it rotates and keeps the pinion angle relationship to the driveshaft very similar to what it was before the lift. Most D2s can be lifted 3" and still use a rotoflex. If you can use a rotoflex, you should. They help to smooth out the slop in the drivetrain.

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Chris Nordstrom



02/25/2010 7:36 AM Alert 
Chris,
I believe I have some pictures. I am new to contributing to this sight. Can someone advise how I include a picture with my response.
Thanks,
Chris
Isaac Fain



02/25/2010 9:06 AM Alert 
Posted By Scott Williams on 02/24/2010 7:51 PM
For clarification. ACE and SLS are separate systems. ACE = Active cornering enhancement and refers to the hydraulic sway bar system fitted. SLS = self leveling suspension system referring to the rear air springs. They are independent of each other and may or may not be fitted together.

 

Posted By Craig Miller
As far as I know, ACE and air bag suspension aren't related. You can have air bags or coils with ACE.

 

*SMACK*   I been schooled    (slinking off ... )  hehe

 

 


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Craig Miller
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02/25/2010 9:18 AM Alert 
Posted By Chris Nordstrom on 02/25/2010 7:36 AM
Chris,
I believe I have some pictures. I am new to contributing to this sight. Can someone advise how I include a picture with my response.
Thanks,
Chris


You need to click on "Add Reply" instead of using the "Quick Reply" box.  "Add Reply" will bring up an advanced editor where there are two ways to include pictures.  You can simply attach them using the "Message Attachments" section below the message editor, or insert them inline using the "Picture" button on the toolbar. 

There are detailed instructions in the FAQ which is found under the About->FAQs menu.

Craig

 

 


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Chris Nordstrom



02/25/2010 3:11 PM Alert 

 Craig, thank you for the assistance. I hope this works.

Chris,

I am trying to keep my truck looking as stock as possible, but we a little more testosterone. I could not find my other photo's showing stock to finished, but I hope this helps.

Chris






Scott Tarrant
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02/25/2010 3:41 PM Alert 

Chris,

Just noticed your post....but here is my '00 DII with 2" lift and 265/75's.  In my opinion it's been a great combo for me.  Allows me more versitility offroad with little effect on road, other than some mileage impact.

Scott


2000 DII
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Craig Miller
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02/25/2010 3:45 PM Alert 

I want to play... 3" lift with 265/75s on offset 16x8" rims







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Garrett Grebe
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02/25/2010 4:44 PM Alert 
What do the offset rims give you? Wider stance?

K2KIL
Craig Miller
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02/25/2010 6:53 PM Alert 
Wider stance, better sidehilling, and tighter turning radius with the bigger tires. Land Rovers sidehill well without the wider track, but it does help; especially if you have a roofrack, tent, and other weight up high. The larger tires will decrease your turning radius because they hit the radius arms (or the bumpstops bump if you adjust them). With the tires further away from the radius arm, you regain the lost turning radius and in my case even add a little over stock. The downside is that if they stick out too far, they won't clear the fenders and tuck up into the wheel wells. I had to do some very minor trimming in the back to get the tires to tuck.

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