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Ben Bailey



03/16/2010 8:11 PM Alert 

Gentlemen, I am seriously considering a major rebuild of my '65 IIa, and I have what I think to be three options.  Looking for input from locals before I jump into other parts of the net to get ideas.

  1. Drive it once or twice a week like I'm doing, more during the summer, take care of it, but don't do much to it at all till something major breaks that makes it so I can't drive it.  At this point I sort of involuntarily mothball it or start a restoration (see next two options).  The problem with this option is multifacited... First, I'm impatient.  Second, if I'm going to do this, I think I really should do it at the time and place of my choosing.
  2. Option A: Do a nice, but not museum quality, stock rebuild with the upgrade of powered brakes and at least front discs, roll bar, some interior upgrades, electrical up grades, etc...  This would include an overhaul of the engine, better interior lighting, better electrics to accomodate lights and radios, etc...  I would paint it as well.  The drawback here is that unless I spent the money on an upgrade for the drivetrain, I'd still be looking at a truck that would have trouble keeping up with Todd in his Tdi pulling that trailer with three and a half RTT's attached (in the opened position) and a week's worth of his goats in the back.
  3. Option B: Buy one of the random beat up but running RRC's on Craig's List for $500.  Prep it for Shipman to cut and mod the frame for the 88" body to go on (something I've seen him do numerous times, and if you've seen his old blue truck, that is actually a Range Rover Classic). Refurbish the engine, top overhaul, LT230, etc... Then I'd have a truck that looks just like a '65 IIa, but it has coils, disc brakes all around, and a V8.  The draw back here is that it would end up being just as expensive as a stock restoration, it wouldn't be 'original' anymore, and the old RRC's came with their own set of problems.

I might start this summer if my degree gets finished by the end of June, and if I get the garage cleaned out by the end of October.


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Dan Cronin
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03/16/2010 8:24 PM Alert 
When I restored my 1968 Series IIA, I tried to do a little at a time, but a little wouldn't do it, so a little got more and more........Wait, that's from Mr. Brownstone. Ok, back to Land Rover: After owning for a year, I relized that parking it for one year would be the ticket. And it was. I drove it into the garage on October 5th, 1995 and drove it out to the painters on October 5th, 1996. And I was glad I did it.

The drawback? It took $15000. and working on it every night. EVERY night. So I'm not saying that will be your destiny, but I will tell you, it was worth it. I will post pictures up as a little before and after.

Dan

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Ben Bailey



03/16/2010 9:16 PM Alert 
I was going to ask you about that -- do you still have it? And what did you do on it?

I too have tinkered with a lot of things on it, but the problem is if you do something new to it, like put IPF lights on it that you get from some random contest thing, the new lights are way better than anything else the truck actually has on it. You end up just flipping the new switch up and down all the time so you can feel what it's like to have something that works, something shiny! Well, maybe that's hyperbole. But on the other end of the spectrum, it's basically turding a polish. Nice new lights, but they become useless as soon as you put them on the old truck. Not so much because they don't work, or even because they pulsate and cause TV interference in your neighborhood, but more because the truck itself is driven and used so little, that the new thing I do to it always ends up being the new thing I should have done to the other truck!

Anyway, not to make the old rig sound bad. It's never actually let me down, and I actually do drive it two times a week, to work and back, and on the weekends.

I think my main purpose for wanting to do a rebuild of any kind is this: I want this to be my overlanding rig. Or to at least have the status of being a coin's toss away from being the rig I take to Eastern Oregon, versus the DII. A stock rebuild would do it, but for how long? Would I have a reasonable chance of making it back home in 1 out of 3 long distance trips? A RRC hybrid would do it, but I'd loose the official classic status.

$15k? You must have done a lot of work on it. I know they can be expensive, but I just can't imagine it going that high. Unless... OK, never mind, I'm going to stop adding in my head and go watch LOST.

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Dan Cronin
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03/16/2010 10:13 PM Alert 

Ok Ben, here is a super brief snapshot of the progression. I have about 50+ pictures, but here's four.

Day one: Land Rover made it home safe from Snohomish..... Oh the work ahead, my head is spinning...

Well, let's rip into this thing tonight and see what it needs. Gulp

 

Oi, I think I'm committed. Or rather, I need to be committed

Well, let's see here, how do I put this thing back together......

 

Voila!! It's done!

Yes, it is the same truck!


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03/16/2010 10:15 PM Alert 

Hey Dan, Who's that guy in the pictures?


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03/16/2010 10:28 PM Alert 
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Ben Bailey



03/16/2010 10:34 PM Alert 

You had Steve McQueen and John Malkovich working on your Rover for you?!

I like it. That's even the color I want -- it's the sage green now, and I want to keep it green. Do you still have it? How much work did you do on the engine? How much of the restoration did you do yourself versus having someone else hired to do the work?

Mine has a rebuilt transmission, unleaded head, updated suspension (Rocky Mt./OME) and a Rochester Carb. Other than that, it's stock, mostly original or original parts. (Thanks John!)

(EDIT: Added the evidence of Dan's alter ego)







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Dan Cronin
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03/16/2010 10:44 PM Alert 
Posted By Ben Bailey on 03/16/2010 10:34 PM
You had Steve McQueen and John Malkovich working on your Rover for you?!

I like it. That's even the color I want -- it's the sage green now, and I want to keep it green. Do you still have it? How much work did you do on the engine? How much of the restoration did you do yourself versus having someone else hired to do the work?

Mine has a rebuilt transmission, unleaded head, updated suspension (Rocky Mt./OME) and a Rochester Carb. Other than that, it's stock, mostly original or original parts. (Thanks John!)
 
Well, I do not still have it. In 2000, I needed to sell it to help pay for my daughter's schooling. However, I had a '96 Disco I was getting into so that sorta offset things.
 
I did all the work on the engine. Gord'n actually helped quite a bit in MANY areas, but ultimately, I wound up pulling the  pre-biodiesel 2.3 litre Isuzu engine and putting in a *reconditioned* 2.25 litre pertrol from MOD surplus.
 
I did all the restoration myself with the help of a few local suppliers. This was before I knew about Rovers North
A Series rig has some hidden mysteries, but all in all, with the help of Shipman, Gord'n and many parts suppliers, you can make it a good experience.
 
Danno
 
P.S. The color is a Range Rover color; Eastnor Green.

 


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Dan Cronin
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03/16/2010 10:46 PM Alert 
Posted By Ben Bailey on 03/16/2010 10:34 PM

You had Steve McQueen and John Malkovich working on your Rover for you?!

I like it. That's even the color I want -- it's the sage green now, and I want to keep it green. Do you still have it? How much work did you do on the engine? How much of the restoration did you do yourself versus having someone else hired to do the work?

Mine has a rebuilt transmission, unleaded head, updated suspension (Rocky Mt./OME) and a Rochester Carb. Other than that, it's stock, mostly original or original parts. (Thanks John!)

(EDIT: Added the evidence of Dan's alter ego)

Wow, uncanny resemblence! I am such a stud....or was anyway


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Ben Bailey



03/17/2010 7:54 AM Alert 
I'd love to see more photos of your old truck. If you ever get around to putting them online, or if we ever meet up again, you'll have to bring an album.

You may need a new vanity plate on your other vehicle: BULLITT

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Ben Bailey



03/17/2010 7:55 AM Alert 
GR8SKP

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Dan Cronin
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03/17/2010 7:57 AM Alert 
Ha! Nice Ben :-)

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Craig Spaeth
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03/17/2010 8:35 AM Alert 
There are a few things to watch out for when contemplating a restoration such as this. One big question you need to ask yourself is do you intend to really use this rig? It is pretty easy to end up with something too nice to really use. I have been down this path twice, once with a VW thing and now with my VW Double Cab. That straight body work and shiny paint job might be tempting but it makes you really tense when driving through brush and just about any trail run. Also for the most part stock is stock. If you are going to keep it stock go all the way and keep everything stock. It will be worth more that way most likely and be all original. If you do decide to modify it, make it the way it is most useful for you. Why not add another option of keeping your series rig to tinker with and enjoy its oldness and get an RRC for beating around off road. I think once again if you combine the two you end up with sooo much money in it that it is much harder to enjoy off road or even off the beaten path. I don't know how much experience you have with total restorations but that $15,000 number stated above seemed cheap to me. It is just like building a house where all of a sudden towards the end you have way more money in it than you intended but you can't really stop until you are done. I had to sell a gorgeous BMW 2002 because of that once. I combined two cars into one and it cost quite a bit more than I had figured so I sold both of them.

Just some thoughts,
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Benny Benson



03/17/2010 8:56 AM Alert 

There's almost nothing cooler than a original rig out doing what it was designed to do. I say keep it original and fix it when something breaks. Sure it may get a dent or two playing offroad but with each dent there is a story that builds the rigs character.


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Scott Tarrant
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03/17/2010 9:10 AM Alert 
was that Peter Fonda?...

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Todd Eliason
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03/17/2010 9:23 AM Alert 
Posted By Dan Cronin on 03/16/2010 10:28 PM
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And you teased me about Harman Kardon?  Goofball!

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Dan Cronin
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03/17/2010 9:26 AM Alert 
Touche'

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Nate Skate



03/17/2010 11:50 AM Alert 

I had thought about fixing up an old Series some day. This thread has cured me. $15k! I think a Scout or CJ might be more my speed.

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03/17/2010 12:02 PM Alert 
Nate,

I would eliminate the Scout from your list if money is a concern. I built a Scout 2, I wish I still had, and they are pricey to do correctly. Worth it, but definitely not cheap.

Scott

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Dan Cronin
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03/17/2010 12:14 PM Alert 
The $15k included the vehicle price of $3k. New engine, transmission, leaf springs, shocks, all new interior, paint, tires, rims powder coated, electrics, window tracks, rear cross member cut off and new one welded on, all hardware, electronic ignition, etc....

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