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Peter Carey



09/30/2007 9:05 PM Alert 
Kevan, don't bring your dad into this.

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Rick Lindgren



10/01/2007 8:53 AM Alert 
Hmmm. Home made Wolverine claws. You just don't see that everyday.

I think Nevak's on the right course, Ike. You just need to become a fast healing mutant berserker and fall victim to government/otherworldly/bad guy experiments and you too can have some great rock/ice climbing tools.

mmmmmmm.....Mike and Ike's
Todd Eliason
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10/01/2007 9:09 AM Alert 

What about a military surplus folding camp shovel? I have seen ones with the pick that folds out of the back as well. Seems like t would serve the purpose, have dual use for digging out and other stuff, and doesn't have the pointed end (handle) to get lodged in your groin if it realeses from the hold unexpectedly.

Certainly doensn't look as cool, but if it is not for climbing it might do the trick as a brake.


Who put the Goat in there?
Nevak Risew



10/01/2007 11:19 AM Alert 
Maybe ski poles would be more useful all around? They make good hiking sticks, and I've used mine to slow/stop falls when skiing the steeps. They make ski poles with self-arrest handles too, though they're pricey. Every garage sale in Seattle has a pair of old ski poles
Craig Miller
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10/01/2007 11:51 AM Alert 
x2 on the ski poles. I'm assuming Ike that you are planning to go snowshoeing this winter and want to be a little better prepared in case you either start falling or get caught in an avalance.

Adjustable ski poles in particular are very helpful when snowshoeing:
- Self arrest if you slip on frozen spring snow and start sliding down a hill.
- Upper pole can be adjusted shorter and the downhill pole longer for traversing side-slopes.
- Generally help with balance
- Make picking up that pesky litter much easier
- Can be used for fending off Polar Bears
- In a pinch, you can roast marshmallows for your s'mores on them.
- Work as a spit for roasting wild boar
- Use them as arms on your child's snowman

Obviously, they are an essential tool to have in your kit.

Craig

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John Rohrbaugh



10/01/2007 6:54 PM Alert 

Craig left out keeping a pair of surplus poles in your rig for those emergency tie rod and other front end fixes...hehehhe..DOH!  (NOTE:  the preceding field repair is I'm sure not endorsed nor recommended by OTG)

 

So there y'go...get a coupla of surplus army 'etools' and some good ski poles.  fold the shovel part of the etool over to form an 'L' shape...duct tape (or duck tape if you're from these parts) those bad boys to your feet as crampons and use the old ski poles for support and arrest!  Now you're ready for winter!!   sorry, I have no pics of THAT gear recommendation.



Neat.
Isaac Fain



10/01/2007 8:11 PM Alert 
now you guys are scarring ...errr, scaring me i sure wouldn't want to watch the collar snap into pieces on that e-tool with my weight on it :-o as for ski poles, got 'em. they're ok on flat tracks / cross-country style, but on slopes I found them more of a bother than a help.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the noise of how awesome I am.
Craig Miller
Site Admin


10/01/2007 8:18 PM Alert 
Isaac, the poles don't help on side slopes unless you have the telescoping kind.

Also, the idea is to have something to self arrest with. If it is an icy sidehill, don't use them like normal, hold on to them closer to the basket so you can immediately jam them into the ice and self-arrest if you fall.

Gene Prater's book "Snowshoeing" published by the Mountaineers should cover side-sloping and self-arresting.

C

My Overland Adventure Blog
Isaac Fain



10/01/2007 8:31 PM Alert 
Posted By Craig Miller on 10/01/2007 8:18 PM
Isaac, the poles don't help on side slopes unless you have the telescoping kind.

Also, the idea is to have something to self arrest with. If it is an icy sidehill, don't use them like normal, hold on to them closer to the basket so you can immediately jam them into the ice and self-arrest if you fall.

Gene Prater's book "Snowshoeing" published by the Mountaineers should cover side-sloping and self-arresting.

C


ahhh-ha!   now i see what you B sayin' - more books is good.       


I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the noise of how awesome I am.
Nevak Risew



10/01/2007 9:23 PM Alert 
not only are they good, but usually safer too!
Craig Miller
Site Admin


10/01/2007 9:32 PM Alert 
Now let's find someplace to go practice.

C

My Overland Adventure Blog
Mike Pierson



10/02/2007 9:48 PM Alert 

Hi,I had to chime in. I climb ice and worked at the Ouray Ice Park in Ouray Colorado. I now live in Silverton,Co. and climb the frozen waterfalls around here in winter(soon!)

On the beacon/tranceiver; whoever said to rent one was right, but if you're gonna go often, buy one. The newer technology now with most brands is analog and digital modes, plus 3 antennas for searching/receiving signals, in cases of multi burials. There is even one out now that will give you vital signs, so as you find buried persons, you can identify who is still alive, and concentrate on digging for them first. I think honestly the most important thing as said earlier is knowing how to use it CORRECTLY, and Even more than that is that whoever is with you knows how to use their's as well. Get one, go out with another person, take turns hiding/burying the beacon, and locating it using your new toy. Being proficient with it is a matter of living or dying, as time under the snow/ice is critical. I would highly recommend taking a weekend avalanche course in your area,OR for aday hire a certified guide to take you out and teach you basic skill, and using the beacon/ ice tools/knots/belaying. What you'd learn in one day with a guide in an instructor-student situation would be the easiest to learn as you can use trial and error, plus ask questions. Easier to learn in the classroom, than in a real emergency situation.

The ice tools for climbing are way different that the mountaineering piolets. Out here in the OURAY ICE PARK in January we have a festival, anyone can show up and demo almost any kind of equipment related to ice climbing from tools to clothes. The tools are designed specifically for the task or type of climbing you are gonna do: "mixed" tools are for rock and ice climbing, generally on the same route, and are generally mostly now leashless, which enable you to switch hands on tool, rest in different positions, and to easily place ice screws or protection, all free of the leash. They are ussualy lighter, bent more on the shaft, and the picks are easyily replaceable on the route. Straight up and down water ice tools can be straight, but most are bent to hook, and pull over "cauliflower ice" and "mushrooms" and ledges. If it were me starting all over again, I would try as many kinds of tools as possible, and swing them over and over until you find the right ones for you. I have seen guys climb some very difficult routes, with some very old outdated equipment, making me realize it is not necesarily the tool, but the skilled operator of the tool. You want to be proficient, and use the least amount of energy as possible, learn to rest, and stay in control.

If you ever are out this way in winter, and want to learn abit, or have the tools and the time, look me up.


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