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Dale Avery


 | | 01/11/2009 3:35 PM |
Alert | Happy belated New Year everyone! I have been looking for a small notebook computer for use in the Tacoma for some time. Before Xmas, I really started zeroing in on a few of the newer netbooks. I narrowed the field finally down to the ASUS and HP's 1030. The HP has a 10.3" screen and the 1030 version comes with a 16 Gig hardcard rather than the typical 60-80 Gig harddrive. It also comes with 1 Gig of RAM which I think is expandable to 2 Gigs.I also checked with RAM and they should have a new mount for the netbooks out about now. The HP has 2 USB ports. I'll be using one for my GPS system. I am worried about the shiny screen on the HP as it may relect/refract light a light more than the normal type of screens in an outdoor environment. It also doesn't come in a 12 volt DC arrangement. But I already run an AC/DC converter so that isn't too big of a deal. Is there anyone on this site that has any actual experience mounting and using a netbook in their vehicle? I plan on running DeLorme Topo and Street Atlas software, so the 16 Gig max memory is not a big concern for me. All these netbooks are wifi ready, so I can also check in for email, etc. whenever I am in town....gotta have that Starbucks every now and then. Craig, would your topo software run on this sytem? Dale WU7X, 2000 Tacoma light expedition ready | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
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 | | 01/11/2009 8:15 PM |
Alert | 16gb hard drive isn't going to be big enough to run most navigation software, including mine. A laptop hard drive is vibration resistant. I ran one for several years w/o a single failure.
How much do you want to spend? An HP Touchsmart TX2-1020 touchscreen notebook is right around $1000 has a 320GB hard drive, 12.1" screen, converts between a laptop and a tablet. The screen swivels around and covers the keyboard when in tablet mode which will also keep the screen from shaking as you go over washboard (because it is "locked" into position against the base which is in a RAM mount). It would run my software, or other navigation software very well..
The glare off these screens will be a minimal problem if you have it on a RAM mount. You can adjust the angle of the screen to minimize any light source. If the screen is angled right towards the user's eyes then there won't be any trouble at all. The problem usually only occurs when the viewer is looking at an angle.
Craig
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| Dale Avery


 | | 01/11/2009 8:46 PM |
Alert | Craig,
One of my biggest concerns is screen size. Handheld GPS units and most Garmin Nuvi types are too small for my old eyes. I have a HP notebook with a large screen that is just too big. That is why I like the netbook sized ones. Remember, I am working out of a 2000 Tacoma. The Xcab just doesn't have a lot of room either width or headwise. We have discussed harddrives in vehicles in the past. Guess I'm old school and just too worried about the shaking.
I really have been looking at tablet computers since they came out a couple of years ago, but I already own three desktops, one notebook, a 76C, DeLorme GPS, and software. I'm getting to cheap to spend the extra money. A HP 1030 is going for under $400. With it's 10+ inch screen looks pretty good.
The new netbooks do have the ability to support SD cards. I believe that you can now get them up to 16 Gigs in size. I would assume that I could install both the software programs I want to run of the SD card, upgrade to 2 Gigs RAM, and be pretty well setup. So how much disc space do you think I need?
BTW, everyone all right over there? We've had too much snow, and you've had lots of rain/flooding. Hope it dries up by late spring. I am getting cabin fever already. Think Geoff and I are going to try a quick trip to Owayhee as soon as possible, early fly fishing in MT/ID, then to Prescott for the Overland Expo. | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
| Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 01/11/2009 9:17 PM |
Alert | Dale,
The tablet computer I suggested is a convertible between a laptop and a tablet. In tablet form it will occupy less room than the laptop netbook will in the truck. The screen is 2.5" bigger than the netbook which will be easier for you to read. It has a touchscreen, which will make it easier to operate. I understand the price issue and it sounds like that is a deal breaker for you and I agree that the prices on the netbooks are quite impressive.
In my experience the hinge on a laptop is what is the most vulnerable to damage in the field. The tablet form factor largely solves this problem.
I'd encourage you to do some independant research about laptop hard drive failure rates. I know *a lot* of people with computers in their trucks and I don't know of one failure. As an option, they sell anti-vibration mounts for laptop hard drives, but again I *beat* on mine for years w/o even a hint of a problem. One possibility is to try it, and replace it with a solid state drive if there is a failure.
I'm not sure how big of a hard drive you want, but here are a few numbers:
Operating System: 10-15gb Overland Navigator: 20mb (not gb). 24k/100k/250k Maps for WA: 5gb 24k/100k/250k Maps for ID: 4gb 24k/100k/250k Maps for OR: 6gb 100k/250k maps for the entire US Satellite Imagery: 20gb
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| Nevak Risew


 | | 01/11/2009 10:04 PM |
Alert | | I'm no expert, but I'll chime in because I've been running a laptop on offroad trips for years now with no problems. RAM mounts really do a nice job of isolating from vibes and shocks, and it might be worth looking into what they have for whatever you end up using. | | | |
| Dale Avery


 | | 01/11/2009 10:34 PM |
Alert | Well this is getting better and better. I do trust your experience, both of you. I have never operated my notebook computer in tough terrain because of fear of damaging the hard drive. Nor have I used satellite imagary in the field as it is not something I have had experience with. The closest I got was aerial photography and stereonets. Sounds pretty archaic nowadays I'm sure. Perhaps now that it is the 21st century, I should away from mid-20th century technology. Craig, is your software touchscreen compatible? Does it work with a LT-20 for satellite input? Nevak, could you please give me an example of the system you presently use? Thanks in advance! Dale | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
| Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 01/11/2009 11:15 PM |
Alert | Dale,
Yes, my software is touchscreen compatible. I haven't tested the LT-20, but according to the specifications it should work.
Craig
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| Rick Lindgren


 | | 01/11/2009 11:52 PM |
Alert | Dale, If you are really worried about the hard drive and offroad use, you could put something like this Solid State Disk (SSD) drive in the laptop you choose: http://www.sandisk.com/OEM/ProductCatalog(1396)-SanDisk_SSD_SATA_5000_18.aspx It has no spinning disk so it doesn't suffer from bumping around, is more reliable and takes less power. But it most likely costs a bit more. You can get ones that would just replace the existing harddrive in most laptops. Either 2.5" or 1.8" Rick | | Finding my inner dirt again.... | |
| TooRisky


 | | 02/16/2009 12:11 AM |
Alert | Boy this thread lead me to look into SSD's....I would hold off on that technology for a bit, everywhere I looked was full of complaints. | | | |
| Andy Hough


 | | 02/18/2009 11:32 AM |
Alert | We have had great success with the IBM ultralight (X300) notebooks at my office with the SSD drives. Everyone seems to love them and has had no complaints about the SSD disk. | | DD: 2009 Chevy HHR 1LT Toy: 1999 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4 | |
| Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/18/2009 2:10 PM |
Alert | Since starting this thread, Dale has purchased an Asus R2H running Overland Navigator.
For those interested in Netbooks, we have added complete keyboard control to Overland Navigator making it possible to control the software easily via the keyboard. Touchscreen is no longer required. Overland Navigator works well on netbooks because it is designed to make optimal use of the small screen sizes.
Craig
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| terrance bailey


 | | 02/19/2009 2:50 AM |
Alert | i hate asking this because i am sure it is some where in another thread but i cant seem to find it. first i have been looking at tablet pc's and found this on new egg, i am not very knowlageable on computers but it seems good to me. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147952 my intent for it would basicly be to run craigs overland software and have a gps feed to it. second, i have a yaesu VX-8R gps enabled hand held ham radio, would it be possible to use this as the gps reciever to link to the tablet? last question, would it be possible to display the APRS info on the computer? i think it would be pretty cool on the trail. your lead and trail rigs have APRS capabilities and to have them displayed on a moving map. that way you would always know how far your convoy is streached and if your trail has stopped for any reason. sorry again if this was answered else where, i couldnt seem to find it. | | | |
| Dale Avery


 | | 02/19/2009 8:01 AM |
Alert | Terrance, I am not knowledgeable enough to answer your questions, but I'm sure someone here can... I do want to add something to what Craig mentioned. I really, love my R2H, except for startup speeds. The major problem there is that I have just too much software stuffed into the 60 Gig drive. Craig suggested that I look into a larger capacity drive. Someone else in this thread had mentioned the Sandisk SSDs. I have been drooling over the new Sandisk G3 SSD. It will come out in 60, 140, 240 Gig sizes, and estimated prices are $150, $250, and $499. Unfortunately, they are talking mid-year availability! Do any of you techno folks know os someone I could get to install something like this on my ASUS? I am having a bit of a problem finding someone over here in Snowkane to do the job. All I want left on this computer would be the basic OS, a neat little GPS startup program that Craig came up with, and then the Overland Navigator suite, plus Topo 7.0. Oh, and probably MS Outlook and Firefox for reading emails, etc. while away from home. For those interested, I have found that Craig's Overland Navigator program, working with the GPS unit installed in the ASUS R2H, locks on the satellites much quicker than that other GPS oriented programs presently on the computer. It could be that every time I have attempted this, the birds where directly overhead or something, but that isn't probable. Finally, one last question; the in-house A.C. power supply for the ASUS provides 12 v D.C. at 3 amps. I would like to install a permanent plug-in for the ASUS in the Taco. Does anyone know of a D.C. harness that will work with this computer? Dale WU7X | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
| Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 02/19/2009 9:05 AM |
Alert | Dale,
I'm very glad that Overland Navigator is working well for you.
The slow startup speeds aren't likely to be caused by the stuffed hard drive. Startup is slow because it is a slow computer, and Windows requires a lot of "services" to start in the background. Services are just programs that windows runs in the background to perform various operations, many of which you don't need on a portable computer. My suggestion to speed boot times is to run xplite and disable unnecessary services, defragment your hard drive to optimize for fast boot times, and to remove any virus checker you might have installed (since you won't be surfing much on this machine). The best suggestion though, is to set the R2H up to hibernate rather than shut-down.
Asus should sell a DC power supply that plugs directly into a 12v automotive cigarette lighter socket. I believe that is what Paul is using.
Craig
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 | | 02/19/2009 9:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By terrance bailey on 02/19/2009 2:50 AM i hate asking this because i am sure it is some where in another thread but i cant seem to find it. first i have been looking at tablet pc's and found this on new egg, i am not very knowlageable on computers but it seems good to me. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147952 my intent for it would basicly be to run craigs overland software and have a gps feed to it. second, i have a yaesu VX-8R gps enabled hand held ham radio, would it be possible to use this as the gps reciever to link to the tablet? last question, would it be possible to display the APRS info on the computer? i think it would be pretty cool on the trail. your lead and trail rigs have APRS capabilities and to have them displayed on a moving map. that way you would always know how far your convoy is streached and if your trail has stopped for any reason. sorry again if this was answered else where, i couldnt seem to find it.
Terrance - I can't tell from the newegg advertisement if it is a touchscreen computer or if it requires the use of a stylus. The difference being whether you can use your finger or not. Otherwise, it looks great.
Any device that speaks NMEA0183 and that can be connected to your computer, either physically or via bluetooth, and present itself as a COM port can be used with Overland Navigator. I personally like any SIRFIII enabled GPS. My favorite, and the one I use, is http://mightygps.com/WeatherproofGPSReceiver.htm I completely agree on the APRS goals. It is something I aim to develop as a free add-on, but I probably won't do it until after we've completed several more important functions. It's one of the reasons I created Overland Navigator. Craig | | My Overland Adventure Blog | |
| Dale Avery


 | | 02/19/2009 9:49 AM |
Alert | Craig, Thanks for the input. I will dig up xplite and give it a try. Actually, will have a computer freak buddy do it. BTW, It is amazing how accurate Overland Navigator is. In rural areas I have been driving in, it tracks the USGS "roads" perfectly! It is really great to be driving along in a small valley for example, then zoom out to get a better handle of the area topography and to see where the road is heading. I have been using it for finding old trails that I could go snowshoeing or Xcountry skiing on. I used to have over 5,000 USGS topos, primarily 7.5', but also 15' and larger scale. I donated them all to the geography dept. at EWU a couple of years ago after retiring. Having a DeLorme or Falcon Press gazetter in the truck was helpful, but certainly not a replacement for those topo maps. I am finding that i really enjoy "seeing" the countryside via USGS and Overland Navigator. Pinpointing my exact location, with the lat/Long and elevation readouts is sweet. Wish I would have had this setup when working in the field 20 years ago! Would have made marking old mines and workings so much easier and more accurate. Now, if I could only get MT and ID :-). For now, guess I'll have to focus on northeastern WA and maybe central OR for a few weekender trips with the dogs this spring. | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
| terrance bailey


 | | 02/19/2009 11:23 AM |
Alert | i looked at the pc again and found this which i assume means it can be used witha finger or the stylus "LCD Features <script type="text/javascript">document.write(neg_specification_newline('High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Integrated Touch-screen, Convertible Display (1280 x 800). Panel rotates 180 degrees and folds flat. Rechargeable Digitizer for handwriting capture included'));</script>High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Integrated Touch-screen, Convertible Display (1280 x 800). Panel rotates 180 degrees and folds flat. Rechargeable Digitizer for handwriting capture included" thank you for the info, i will have to read through my manual for the radio again and see if it is compatable | | | |
| Joe Koegler


 | | 03/09/2009 11:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By Dale Avery on 02/19/2009 8:01 AM ...Finally, one last question; the in-house A.C. power supply for the ASUS provides 12 v D.C. at 3 amps. I would like to install a permanent plug-in for the ASUS in the Taco. Does anyone know of a D.C. harness that will work with this computer? Dale WU7X Dale, Asus makes a DC-DC adapter. You could cut the cig. lighter connector off and fuse and hardwire it. www.provantage.com/asus-90-ngvch1000t~7ASUL033.htm | | "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." - Douglas Adams | |
| AJ Lightfoot


 | | 04/17/2009 10:32 AM |
Alert | I purchased my netbook (Acer Aspire One D150). Got Overland Navigator installed and my Globalsat 353 receiver all working and working beautifully. Was driving around this am taking the long way into work with my netbook chillin next to me. Now I need a mount.
This is where my experience is lacking. I was informed by Craig last night that Ram now makes a netbook mount. And sure enough they do. Item Ram-234-6. The only part i'm not sure of is the pod they suggest I use. How stable is a single pod??
Here's a link to check out what i'm talking about. http://tinyurl.com/cyobaj
If anyone here can tell me more about how stable these are I think i'll be more inclined to buy off on it. But just looking at it all I can think of is swinging around in wreckless abandon as I drive over less than hospitable terrain.
Thanks in advance everyone.
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 | | 04/17/2009 10:54 AM |
Alert | How wide is the base on that pod?
I have a single round base on mine, and a larger one would definately be more stable. I put a huge backing plate on mine, but the dash has some flex, so a wider top plate would help some; especialy since your computer is bigger than mine.
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