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Craig Miller
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04/25/2009 2:20 PM Alert 
For anyone considering an Asus R2H (Maybe buying Dales when he sells it), the hard drive is upgradeable and should be very straight forward for anyone with experience building computers and installing the Operating System.

The beauty of the Asus R2H is that it is small enough to make a dash mount easy, and it has a GPS built in. With the built in GPS you can walk around with the UMPC and still be connected to the GPS.

Craig

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AJ Lightfoot



04/30/2009 11:13 AM Alert 

Sorry for the delay. Brent at Columbia Rovers helped me install my Ram Mount last friday and I took it out to Tillamook on saturday for some light trail testing and it worked out beautifully. Here's some pictures of the mount installed. We ended up ditching the base that Ram sent with it and opted for a steel plate that we drilled and used as a stabilizing point on the dash. It's pretty stable, although I think putting another plate on the underside of the dash and sandwiching it will be the best I have not yet gone that far yet, but for where it is it's good and doesn't bounce around all over. So far VERY happy with the install.













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AJ Lightfoot



04/30/2009 11:14 AM Alert 

A few more pictures with the computer on board...













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Andy Hough



04/30/2009 12:52 PM Alert 
That looks nice AJ.

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Jay Erickson



04/30/2009 1:03 PM Alert 

Looks good. Glad to hear it doesn't bounce around sounds like you have a solid mounting solution.


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Craig Miller
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04/30/2009 3:36 PM Alert 
AJ,

Hopefully this will sound encouraging rather than critical.... It looks solid and secure, but I think you can do better.

Have you tried using the coin tray insert as a template to cut a piece of steel that fits in there perfectly? Paint it black, use the new piece on the top and move the existing steel plate to the bottom?

I bet that would give you plenty of "sandwich" to keep it stable, and look factory on the top other than the bracket.

Craig

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AJ Lightfoot



04/30/2009 6:47 PM Alert 

Craig,

No worries, I appreciate all opinions and advice. I know it's not the best looking. And it by no means complete. I still want to finish it, But it's functional. I was planning on painting all the parts as well. That idea with the coin tray is good. I will look at that and see what I come up with. i was also considering trying to find a vertical anchor point in the front to secure too. so I can get rid of the top plate entirely. It is definitely close and working, just needs that fine tuning. 

I will show the actual final product once I have a plan, but for now, my impatient side is apeased.

AJ


98 Discovery I - The Master Chief - KF7DCD

"Did that kid just drop a pretzel? I like pretzels. I really like pretzels."
Craig Miller
Site Admin


04/30/2009 8:44 PM Alert 
I understand. I've redone my air tank like 5 times and absolutely hate the aesthetics of the current setup; though the current setup is the most reliable of the 5. I've redone my carputer 2x. I'm painting my bumpers black this spring sometime. The point is, trucks evolve until we get them the way we like them. IMHO, keeping it running and "ready to go" is the most important part. If you don't, you'll start missing out on trips and the trips are the reason we do all this stuff.

Craig

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AJ Lightfoot



04/30/2009 8:58 PM Alert 
Posted By Craig Miller on 04/30/2009 8:44 PM
I understand. I've redone my air tank like 5 times and absolutely hate the aesthetics of the current setup; though the current setup is the most reliable of the 5. I've redone my carputer 2x. I'm painting my bumpers black this spring sometime. The point is, trucks evolve until we get them the way we like them. IMHO, keeping it running and "ready to go" is the most important part. If you don't, you'll start missing out on trips and the trips are the reason we do all this stuff.

Craig



This is exactly why I love this site.

AJ


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Alex Kogan



05/01/2009 8:59 AM Alert 

Here is my setup. Purchased cheap $50 (cheapest?) CFL-800 laptop mount available over amazon. www.jeniko.com Mount comes with  plate for attaching to floor or transmission tunnel, vertical extension tube, swing arm and plain laptop tray. Swing arm is huge. I cut it down quite a bit. Actually there is enough material to built double arm from one supplied just like their CFL-1000 but after some testing, in order to reduce vibrations I concluded that the shorter the arm the better. Mount comes with some Velcro but I purchased more. One important feature I added is screen holder (few rivets and $10 worth of aluminum). It pivots up and down, holds back of screen with Velcro as well. My mount and laptop survived Nevada Trophy so I'd dare to say it's pretty sturdy and been put through it's paces considering that I manged to rip my shocks in half. Screen holder is a must on rough roads. Without one I wouldn't be surprised if it just falls off after some time. On a side note having large 15" screen is nice and gives pretty decent situational awareness. I pretty much didn't care for DeLorme atlas I had along. Mount was low enough that laptop didn't obstruct my vision yet I was able to see clearly when needed or even oprate keyboard without too much distruction.

 


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AJ Lightfoot



05/01/2009 10:13 AM Alert 
Alex,
I like that pole straight up. That is what i'd like to do except hide it in the dash where i've already drilled. haha.
I definitely like the fact that it doesn't obstruct your view. Fortunately my little netbook is tiny only 10 inches wide so I can see around it without issue.

Looks good and for the price you can argue with results.
Good job!!

AJ

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"Did that kid just drop a pretzel? I like pretzels. I really like pretzels."
Nevak Risew



05/01/2009 11:49 AM Alert 

That turned out great. It's similar to what I did. I used a RAM laptop tray and two RAM ball mounts with those cool clamp thingies they make. They are connected by a piece of 1/2" galvanized pipe from the hardware store -- very high tech ;-) To eliminate flex the base-ball is mounted to a piece of angle iron that is held in place by the PS seat mounting bolts. It's been very reliable over the years.

These pics are from the install in my '87, which is now in my '94, and instead of the old Compaq Armada W95 (it was virus proof!) there is a 15" Powerbook running MacGPSPro.

 

 









Jay Erickson



05/02/2009 12:45 AM Alert 

Great builds & ideas going in here now. 

I'm curious how your co-pilots get along with the install, any complaints about knees bumping into brackets that sort of thing?

For the summer I'm going to be stuck with an old dell C610 for use in my rig and I was thinking of attempting to extend the laptop screen so I could remotely locate the guts of the laptop and just have the screen & mouse up front.   I'm just worried that the signals are so low that 3 or 4 ft of extra cable might degrade the signal so bad it craps out.

The price on those Jeniko mounts is within the sweet spot for experimenting.  Much thanks for that link!!

Whatever I get worked out I'll add to the thread.


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Andy Hough



05/04/2009 8:37 AM Alert 
Jay, you should be OK on that extension. You can generally run VGA signals about 15 to 20 feet before you need a booster, and most laptops screens just have a VGA cable that connects the screen to the video card. You will have to make the cable yourself, but you could also try just attaching an external monitor to the laptop if you have the proper connector.

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Craig Miller
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05/04/2009 9:51 AM Alert 

Jay,
Passenger comfort has always been one of my concerns as well.  In most cases, I think the passenger can just turn the laptop towards them and the their legs will go underneath like a desk.  Land Rovers have wider interiors than many vehicles, so your mileage may vary.

A tablet folds up flat, and takes up much less horizontal space than a traditional laptop.  Similarly, a UMPC on the dash is 2x as big as a traditional GPS and doesn't interfere with the passengers at all.  You can take a laptop and instead of mounting it like an "L" you can open it up wider so it is taller but flatter.  I think Geofff has his mounted in his sportsmobile like this.

I've posted this in my build thread already, but this thread seems to be the hotspot for install photos... so, here's my Semi-ruggedized 7" Sunlight Visible EO Tuftab on a RAM mount.  The GPS is a through hull SIRF III GPS.













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Alex Kogan



05/04/2009 11:46 AM Alert 
Like Craig said. It clears legs just like sitting behind the desk. Tablet would be much better but I don't have one so got to go with what is no hand. I like big monitor. Also while on hwy I removed laptop/desk entirely to make it safer for my navigator just in case. For vehicles with airbags placement would be even more critical. I wouldn't want to have laptop flying into my face in worst case scenario.

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Dale Avery
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05/04/2009 2:07 PM Alert 

does anyonhe have experience with RAM's universal tripod mount?  The one with the flexible legs that uses the PS bolts and one toward the front of the tunnel?  Flexible legs sound good so long as they remain ridged enough to hold a big notebook computer upright.

Craig, most tablet computers have high rez screens don't they? 

I am seriously considering mounting my 15.1" screen HP notebook in the Tacoma.  But it's major problem is fadeout in bright sunlight.  I have a 1520 Pelican case that I used to carry the notebook out in the field with me for work.  I started strapping the case down on the passenger seat with a couple of 1" wide nylon webbing, and would use two bunji type cords to hold the notebook firmly on the top of the closed case.  With the use of a small power inverter and DeLorme's Topo software and LT20, I found it worked pretty well.  The major problem of course was that there was no room for a passenger, and that I had to take my eyes waaaay off the road to look at the map. 

I could replace the existing 120 gig HD for a 250 Gig version in my computer pretty cheaply.  Then I'd have enough room for all of the Overland Navigator maps that I now own. So many options, so little time, or is it money?


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Craig Miller
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05/04/2009 2:44 PM Alert 
Dale,

You'll have to check with the tablet manufacturer to determine the screen resolution. If you need any help interpreting the specs provided by the manufacturer, just let me know and I'll do my best to help with the interpretation.

Craig

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Craig Miller
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05/04/2009 4:14 PM Alert 

This looks like a pretty good computer for Overland Navigator.

 
$499, 1-2gb of RAM, 60gb HD, 8.9" screen, ruggedized.  The processor is fast enough to run Overland Navigator, but probably not multiple applications at the same time.  www.gottabemobile.com


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Andy Hough



05/05/2009 12:00 PM Alert 
Dale, I can also help you to interpret computer spec's if Craig is busy or something.

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