Larry Grubbs


 | | 03/23/2010 11:34 AM |
Alert | I put a pretty generic title to cover many bases. There are lots of threads on this but I always hate appending to the end of an existing thread question when mine is slightly different. Obviously I know a bit about GPS's and have had a pretty slick Motion LS800 mounted in my truck for a while running Overland Navigator. Ultimately is was a pretty cool solution. However I just couldn't accept the amount of real estate it required and it would alienate my wife as we couldn't cuddle while driving, not really... Anywho, I have been using the Garmin 60csx for a little over a year now. I cannot complain about it's abilities one bit, does exactly what it was designed for... However it really wasn't designed as a car navigation unit, more of a handheld. I really want something with a bigger screen, 5-7" would be dreamy, and have good software available. In a perfect world I would love to run Overland Navigator but refuse to mount a PC back in my car. I have seen various older Garmin StreetPilots that look pretty cool, just don't know if they'll support the latest 24K maps from Garmin that I have. Additionally while dreaming, I love the contour lines (or lack thereof) of the new Garmin Oregon series but feel that I'm right back to the 60csx size screen and will shoot myself if I go that route. So with all that said, are there any recent options that seem to fit this need that I'm missing? Any older options that will work? Really would love to not to have to drop tons of coin on this. Still keep thinking about the 10" Acer's that I see everywhere for $200ish, but ultimately it has a fat keyboard and it'd take up some space on my dash that I'm not sure I want to give up just yet. | | Larry 2000 DII ColumbiaOverland.com | |
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Todd Eliason Title Sponsor


 | | 03/23/2010 11:57 AM |
Alert | | I like the Garmin 276C (now the 376C) bigger screen and a great unit. It is 5 years old now, however. I am thinking of going to a tablet or ultra-portable PC without the keyboard, and using a bluetooth thumb keyboard for input. I really want to run Overland Navigator but like you, don;t want a whole laptop taking up real estate. And I can use it for music and everything else. | | 93 LR Defender 110 05 Land Rover LR3 | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 03/23/2010 1:13 PM |
Alert | Larry,
There are hundreds of 5-10" tablets on the market that take up no more room than a GPS because they are thin. For example, my EO Tuftab is small enough to mount on the dash. The problem with most computers is the keyboard.
Since I know you are a geek, you could setup XP Embedded as the OS with Overland Navigator running on top as the UI. With XP Embedded, you'd have a system that only has the XP kernel, hardware drivers, and Overland Navigator. None of the XP background services, or excessive UI components. It would boot in a few seconds. It would be a dedicated machine. I'm going to try this with the Asus R2H I just picked up. With a bluetooth GPS (powered by the care battery) you can get rid of one more wire. Pimping Overland Navigator for a second... you'll also be able to plug right into your Kenwood D710 and view APRS positions on-screen. :) Craig |


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Dale Avery


 | | 03/23/2010 1:16 PM |
Alert | Can't wait to see what everyone has to add to this post. I'm in the same boat, but with another caveat. I need something with a semi-large screen that is daylight viewable. And, I would really like something that will allow me to mount it both in the Taco and on the Dakar. Many bike folks talk highly of the Garmin 550/660 series of GPS's. Like you, my primarily concern would be whether or not they would accept micro-SDs with 24K topo data, etc. Here in the outback of eastern WA, I still haven't run into anyone who has any personal experience with the Zumo 550 or 660. I have no experience with these SDs in a GPS. But because of my location, I spend more time in northern Idaho and western Montana than in Washington state. So throw in travel to Hell's Canyon and Enterprise, OR, and I MAY have to buy SDs covering four states! Wish they would do these regionally, or do they? Here is a good source of information from the ADV Rider site: http://www.advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37 I'm all ears to see what comes up from the rest of you. Dale | | After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two. 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport 2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
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Larry Grubbs


 | | 03/23/2010 2:49 PM |
Alert | Craig there is no need to pimp Overland Navigator, I think that would be the ideal software to run. The APRS piece would be cool, if I ever travelled with anybody else who had it. So far it's been difficult finding folks who even use HAM out here. I also knew you'd chime in with some good options. I guess I should reconsider the Asus R2H. If I could load everything up like you mentioned it would probably be perfect. Would even consider Linux if I could find the right drivers.
Todd and Dale, I've been on the fence with the Garmin 276/376C and other Garmin units. These units are what really got me to thinking about this. It would be cool to continue using my Garmin Software, however it has many limitations hence the new search.
Dale, Additionally Garmin now offers the 24K topo's in DVD format. I have the west region and it covers WA, OR, CA and NV. Perfect for me, however it looks like you'd be bound to two areas to get Idaho coverage. buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do | | Larry 2000 DII ColumbiaOverland.com | |
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Jay Erickson Member Sponsor


 | | 03/23/2010 5:17 PM |
Alert | I just picked up a Magellan Roadmate 1700, 7" touch screen because like Larry, my Delorme PN-40 does exactly what I need it to do off road but for an around town gps it sucks eggs. Some of the tipping points for the 1700 to me were: it's win ce & quite hackable which means you can boot a lot of other software besides the build in Magellan/AAA on-road OS. It also has a video input so I was thinking I could put in a backup camera or even an under car cam to watch clearances when self spotting.
I'm also using it to get an idea of whether I really want to mount a tablet in the X and the 7" screen is proving to be quite the mounting task, I can only imagine a 12" tablet. The stock mount is way too small to attach to the windshield and too high to mount to the dash as the 7" width really does block out a good portion of my forward view if it is above the top of the dash. My idea for now is to mount a stalk and have it come up right in front of the radio as I don't need to access those buttons often thanks to steering wheel controls.
As for viewing in full sunshine, the screen is plenty bright but not so much that it won't get washed out when in direct sunlight.
Here's a thread that gave some info about the 1700 : www.gpspassion.com/FORUMSEN/topic.asp
As I put the mount together over the next couple weeks (items on order) I'll take pics and put up a build/use thread. | | Traded in all my project vehicles for my 2009 Xterra, not an ounce of buyers remorse. | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 03/23/2010 10:27 PM |
Alert | Larry,
I wouldn't recommend the Asus R2H. It is pretty old now, and pretty underpowered. I'm going to try and put XP Embedded on one which should speed it up A LOT. Still, I think there are numerous other options available these days that are much better than the R2H. The prices on UMPCs and Convertible computers is dropping incredibly fast.
The ideal unit would be 5-7", built in GPS w/ external antenna option, sunlight visible screen, and running an embedded OS to get immediate power on/off. Linux is an option there, but there really isn't any decent software on the Linux side yet.
I like Overland Navigator and think it works pretty well, but I want to make sure I'm providing factual information and not *selling* it. I want to make sure everyone gets into a nav system that fits their specific needs. If Overland Navigator doesn't fit those needs then I want to understand why so I can improve it.
Craig
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Larry Grubbs


 | | 03/24/2010 9:30 PM |
Alert | I've looked at some of the computers listed here as well as over on ExPo on the "Alternatives to iPad" thread. These are definitely growing on me, especially after seeing your pictures Craig. After sitting in my truck on the drive home from the airport I realized that something with a 5-7" screen mounted to the dash would be perfect. It won't effect my visibility at all yet allow the optimum visibility of the screen.
Now I just need to start narrowing it down to a specific device and go from there. | | Larry 2000 DII ColumbiaOverland.com | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


 | | 03/24/2010 9:41 PM |
Alert | Yep, works perfect and I've tried or considered A LOT of options. The picture above is a little misleding. I can still see the end of the hood from the drivers position with that setup. I was leaning over to get a better framed shot when I took that picture. The EO TufTab I have is slightly underpowered but has plenty of power to keep up with Overland Navigator. The big selling point is the sunlight visible screen. It's fantastic. With a newer model out, they are starting to sell cheaper on ebay now. | | My Overland Adventure Blog | |
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Larry Grubbs


 | | 03/26/2010 6:15 PM |
Alert | | Has anyone ever really looked at the Lenovo S10-3t unit? Supposedly some Best Buys carry it for $450. It looks promising, but apparently the base model Windows will have to be upgraded to enable the touch screen capability. I like the fact that there is an actual keyboard for when it's not mounted, seems great for logging a trip or doing email, etc. | | Larry 2000 DII ColumbiaOverland.com | |
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Craig Miller Title Sponsor


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Jay Erickson Member Sponsor


 | | 04/28/2010 11:53 PM |
Alert | | Just an FYI in case anyone was thinking about the roadmate 1700 that I mentioned earlier, I see that Costco is now offering $50 off, bringing the price of it down to $179. | | Traded in all my project vehicles for my 2009 Xterra, not an ounce of buyers remorse. | |
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Tom Thomas


 | | 04/29/2010 12:22 AM |
Alert | | Jay, thanks for the heads up. I still haven't come to a navigational apparatus conclusion. Last week "final answer" was a cheap netbook. Today I browsed over gps's. When I do pull the trigger, I'm gonna find about 8hrs of free time in every day :) | | | |
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Steve Marchiando


 | | 04/18/2011 10:59 PM |
Alert | Garmin NUVI 760 loaded topo maps
Here is a post I put together for the jeep forum when I got my Nuvi 760 back in March of 2008. so far it is working great! Ok, I decided on the Nuvi 760 and it showed up here last night. So far I think it’s going to work out great. As a discontinued model I picked it up NEW for $206 shipped. And, as it’s a Garmin I expect nothing less then great on-road mapping and routing from it. Here in Houston it picked up the FM traffic information with no problem and I can view a map of the area and it shows how the traffic is doing and where the backups are(Very Cool). I’ll have to see if we pay for a subscription for that when the trial expires, but it is lifetime now and not too bad in the $$$ department. I was close to buying the ZOG for the topo capabilities when I found this web site. http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/ It walked me through how to get a working version of Garmin MapSource software and the site is FULL of all the topo maps for the US and some from overseas. So, I downloaded the south central and south east topos and loaded them into MapSource. Then I dumped a few sections to an SD card. These are very detailed! When the Nuvi 760 arived last night I put in the SD card and this is what I got.
Here is a detail from a great wheeling location out in TX.

And for anyone in the Hot springs area a shot of the Superlift ORV Park.

From the EasyGPS website ( http://www.easygps.com/default.asp )the 760 can store:
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Routes
The nüvi 760 can hold 10 routes, each containing up to 250 turns or stops. Route names on the Garmin nüvi 760 can contain up to 30 characters.
Tracks
The nüvi 760 can hold 11 tracks. Saved tracklogs on the nüvi 760 can have up to 250 trackpoints. The active tracklog holds 99999 trackpoints. Track names on the Garmin nüvi 760 can contain up to 30 characters.
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I haven’t gotten that far yet, but I’ll take the jeep out for a spin today and see what I can do pulling the tracks back out and import them back into Mapsource.
Update: Garmin Nuvi 760 Track log capabilities
Okay, I’ve been running the 760 for a week trying different things with it. For a while I had about 150mb worth of topo maps in it, but in that configuration it took longer then I liked for it to load all the maps during the boot up. That was a bunch of maps though, way more then I really needed. So I cut that down and currently I have 4 topo sections(~10Mb) loaded and that is a pretty large area around Houston plus the are around Llano tx where the Texas spur jeep jamboree is held. Here is a screen shot with the highlighted topos. 
For comparison I might need 1 to 2 topo sections for the Superlift park in Arkansas and it is about 1250 acres and that is just because the park stretches over the border of two sections.
I have been bringing it in to download tracks and have noticed it is holding way more then I expected (The nüvi 760 can hold 11 tracks. Saved tracklogs on the nüvi 760 can have up to 250 trackpoints.) Last night when I brought it in it exported 35 tracks and the last track was 983 points covering 49.2 miles. It restarts the active track every day or any time you select a destination and have it tell you how to get there. Here is the track log from last night.
Another cool feature is that when you get your track into mapsource you can view it in Google earth and share it as a GPX file. If you have any questions just ask. Steve | | | |
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Alex Kogan Member Sponsor


 | | 04/19/2011 8:53 AM |
Alert | | You don't have to use MapSource to view track in Google Earth. Later one has option to directly import it from Garmin device. | | 1992 Montero overland eqpt 1997 Land Cruiser family mover (it's alive!) | |
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Steve Marchiando


 | | 04/19/2011 3:57 PM |
Alert | Very cool. I'll have to try it the next time the Nuvi is hooked up to the computer.
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Mario Rossi


 | | 02/06/2012 9:50 PM |
Alert | I own a few of those UMPCs (Viliv S5, Fujitsu U-820) and recently got an Acer Iconia A100. The Viliv and Fujitsu are great Win7 machines but lack of multitouch can be irritaring sometimes. So, the A100 has been getting my preference to run the Topo maps I am planning to.
I also have a Garmin Vista HCx loaded with Topo maps but the screen can be painfully small for driving use. Great for hiking though, so I am planning to keep it as backup.
I've seen a few Topo SW in the Android market but did not see many reviews about them yet.
Any hints or experience with Android stuff?
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Roldan de Guzman


 | | 02/06/2012 10:07 PM |
Alert | Not necessarily a Topo app but I have been usung Glue Trail on my Android phones with great success. The app will locate you on the image file of your choice after you affix the map using a Google Maps overlay. 
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