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Subject: Delorme PN-40. No NMEA support for Vista/Win7

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Joe Koegler



06/15/2010 6:14 PM Alert 

DOH!

I bought a PN-40 floor model from REI and it is not returnable, Garage Sale item. Also bought a RAM mount and 12v/120v power pack kit. My intention was to use the PN-40 to replace a Pharos USB antenna, (using the PN-40 as a handheld when needed), and to also use it as an NMEA data source for Overland Navigator running on a touchscreen convertible tablet while in the vehicle. $250+tax bucks all in only to find...

That the PN-40 only outputs NMEA data via a serial port emulator and that is only supported on 32-bit WinXP (no OS-X/Linux either) and Delorme is officially on record as having no intention of ever updating its emulator to support anything but! 

And their emulator is a kludge bundle 'o' crap of a virtual device driver and user-mode components to begin with anyway. One that doesn't support system power management (standby/hibernate), reportedly blue-screens systems left and right if you can get it to work etc. -- and I don't think I would want to run it even if they did "support" anything else.

XP is not an option and running a XP virtual machine on a netbook would just be dumb. I'm not going to buy a new tablet and downgrade it to what is approaching a 10 year old OS only to find device driver and OS support dropping off the face of the planet.

I know the whole 64-bit operating system graphical user interface trend is just a fad and we'll all be going back to command-line real-mode 16-bit operating systems really soon but really! I'd loved to have been in that meeting.

p.s. PN-40 for sale. Fantastic modern unit with NMEA support! Even has POIs on where you can get your hoopty juiced and where the nearest speakeasy is. Ear trumpet optional for you younger fellas that want to hear the new-fangled noises it makes.


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Craig Miller
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06/15/2010 6:59 PM Alert 
Hey Joe,

The troubleshooting section of the Overland Navigator manual has instructions for getting it to work under Vista... though, yes, it is all still a bit of a kludge. Here's the relevant portion.

Vista and Delorme PN-20 GPS
To use a DeLorme Tripmate GPS with Vista 32 you will need to disable Vista’s User Access Control (UAC).
If you are using a DeLorme Tripmate GPS under Vista 64 it will not work with Overland Navigator. If you are using Vista 32 it will work only if you disable Vista User Access Control (UAC). DeLorme includes a proprietary program that interfaces with the Tripmate GPS and creates a Virtual COM port. Vista’s UAC restricts non-DeLorme software from interfacing with it.

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Joe Koegler



06/15/2010 7:09 PM Alert 
Posted By Craig Miller on 06/15/2010 6:59 PM
Hey Joe,

The troubleshooting section of the Overland Navigator manual has instructions for getting it to work under Vista... though, yes, it is all still a bit of a kludge. Here's the relevant portion.

Vista and Delorme PN-20 GPS
To use a DeLorme Tripmate GPS with Vista 32 you will need to disable Vista’s User Access Control (UAC).
If you are using a DeLorme Tripmate GPS under Vista 64 it will not work with Overland Navigator. If you are using Vista 32 it will work only if you disable Vista User Access Control (UAC). DeLorme includes a proprietary program that interfaces with the Tripmate GPS and creates a Virtual COM port. Vista’s UAC restricts non-DeLorme software from interfacing with it.[/quote]
 

 

Thanks Craig. Daria's work laptop (Thinkpad X-Series convertible tablet) runs Vista but her school's Group Policy settings don't allow me to turn UAC off.

I've got my eye on a Lenovo Ideapad S10-3t convertible netbook but it ships with Win7 and I loathe Vista. I might consider a dual boot on that but still seems rather silly. May be what I'm stuck with though I'd still like power mgmt. to work.


"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." - Douglas Adams
Jay Erickson
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06/15/2010 11:22 PM Alert 

I use my PN-40 mainly as a 'where I've been logger' & geocache finder, for those things it's superb. 
To interface with it I use Topo8 on win7 (32bit) though I haven't gotten around to buying my tablet to use with it on the go.
I too have found some features really lacking but if you want to sell it I'd suggest pointing out that for a $29 annual subscription you can have all the maps, satellite, usgs aerial imagery (B&W and Color), quads & noaa maps you can download.
I have everything possible for the State of WA, parts of OR, ID, MT, etc and it's around 210gb.  Considering what Garmin charges for maps, I believe at one point I estimated I had downloaded around $40,000 worth of equiv. maps ($ per sq mile) for mine.  One guy on the forums was bragging he had hit the magic $1,000,000 mark of imagery. heh.

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you but I understand.  I all but gave up trying to use it as an around town gps and just bought a magellan 1700.  The PN-40 has it's strengths, it's just learning what they are and whether they fit your needs.

ps - if you feel this reply is off topic to your thread feel free to have a mod remove it.  I don't want to hijack a FS thread or anything just trying to explain why I love my PN-40.


Traded in all my project vehicles for my 2009 Xterra, not an ounce of buyers remorse.
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