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Todd Eliason
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12/27/2009 11:04 PM Alert 

Maybe you can save me some web wheelin.  what is the first year toyota made a quad cab pickup and what years would you reccomend for an expedition truck.  I'd like a second vehicle that will work in a pinch if my truck is down.

I am imagining a roof tent mounted over the bed, cover over the bed, and some sort of slide out.  4wd is a must and do any years have a locking center diff or even locking rear?  I have driven a Range Rover for the last 15 years, so I am Toyota stupid.

Thanks in advance,

Todd


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Roger Carr



12/28/2009 8:12 AM Alert 
Hey Todd, I can help I believe. I'm pretty sure that the first year for the double cab (Toyota's name for quad cab) pick up, was the 2001 Tacoma, there might have been one on the T100 (which became the Tundra) and I'm pretty sure the Tundras have had the option as well. I think just about any year of pick up would make a good expedition vehicle, but anything newer than the mid 90's will have an IFS front end as opposed to a solid axle.

As far as I know, none of the pick ups ever had a center diff lock, but a rear diff lock has been an available option for awhile. Around the time they picked up the Tacoma and Tundra names on the pick ups, there came the TRD off-road package, which is what identifies it coming with the rear locker. I don't know enough about the older trucks to know how to identify if it has the locker or not.

So knowing that, it pretty much comes down to how big you want the truck to be, and your budget.

Roger Carr
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05 Tacoma Dbl Cab
Dale Avery



12/28/2009 9:05 AM Alert 

Todd,

Roger nailed it.  2001 was the first year, in the U.S. anyway, for Toyota Tacoma's 4-door.  My friend Geoff just bought a 2001 TRD version with automatic tranny, electronically locking rear diff, and Bilsteins about a month ago.  I THINK he paid ~$12,500 for it.  He searched all over for one and finally found his down in AZ.  These 4-door Tacomas are selling for a premium so good luck in finding one.  The TRD package is worth it as you won't have to go to an aftermarket locking rear diff like I had to.

I have had my 2000 Xtra cab since new.  It has the manual tranny.  So far, the only real problem I've encountered in 108 K miles is that the interior cab light switch went TU a long time ago.  Knock on wood, I hope this great reliablility keeps up for another 100 K.

If you do decide to go with a Tacoma or other Toyota PU, I cannot recommend strongly enough the use of a reinforced fiberglass topper with windoors over the box.  Those windoors have made the vehicle's storage cababilities 100% more useful.  That system also cuts down on dust accumulation in the box.  That may not be a problem on the west side though....My Raven brand top has handled my Columbus rooftop tent with no problems for seven or eight years.  The fiberglass tent is mounted on four Thule bars that attach to the topper via a rail system.  I extended the two outermost Yakima bars in order to use them to attach my Fiamma awning.

I have also added a couple of pics on how I tie things down.  I really like Harkin "Flairleads" mounted on the side rails of the box. They stainless eyebolts are easy to work with but stick out too far.

Dale



















After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two.
2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport
2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike
Brian Rutherford



12/28/2009 9:17 AM Alert 

Todd,

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma

Good basics there.

FYI, Toyota made a "Pre Runner" option package that looks just like a 4x4 but is not. It had no transfer case, or front diff/axles. etc. It could even be ordered with a rear locker.

Brian


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Morris Yarnell



12/28/2009 9:49 AM Alert 

 I had a 2000 4x Tundra with extra space in the cab, doors to access it and plenty of room. If I would have had dogs and kids it would have worked out well. Was good off road as well, button activated 4 wheel drive in the cab and did not have to get out and lock the wheels like my first Toyota PU. Sold it after five years and it was still like new. 

I used to take it out to the desert in SoCal, AC was really a plus,  but bought the Mog cause I did not want to beat up the Toyota. In retrospect should have kept the Toyota.

Todd Eliason
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12/28/2009 10:16 AM Alert 
Nice Setup Dale!

I was thinking of a tonneau (sp?) type cover rather than a topper because I could keep the tent just above the bed of the rig for less drag and easier packaging. but I can see how that topper would be handy, and I didn't consider the awning aspect. I also was a little inspired by Scotts contractor rack ideas with canvas walls like a series Rover.

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Todd Eliason
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12/28/2009 10:31 AM Alert 

This bed setup is kinda what I am thinking, but I like the other ideas as well.







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05 Land Rover LR3
Dale Avery



12/28/2009 10:47 AM Alert 

Todd,

Whatever floats your boat is good!  For the last couple of years I've realized it's not how much stuff we (ME!) stick on our rigs, it's getting out there and having fun.

When I first had the topper installed, the installer used those large aluminum "C" style clamps to hold it on.  After one season like that I went out a bought some stainless bolts, washers, and ny-lock nuts.  One really bad thing about the Tacoma is that the box rails are really, really narrow.  If you do decide to go with a bolt-on topper system, be very careful up through the rail and topper.!  There is a story here that I'd rather not go into at the moment :-)

Dale


After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two.
2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport
2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike
Ed Sanman



12/28/2009 11:56 AM Alert 

Todd - A great bed topper is the Pace Edwards with their Explorer rails. See link.
You also might consider a used Frontier. They have full disc brakes and a frame that rivals my D90 - full box versus the Tacoma C-shape. ARB has both a Tacoma and Tundra. They had my Frontier up there for a couple weeks last Spring while they worked on some bumper details, and Marc commented at the rigidity compared to their two Toyotas. The Tundra was in my driveway when they came down to do a final fitting, and Marc showed how the box could be pulled away from the cab about a half inch or so just by pulling on the tailgate.

http://www.pace-edwards.com/explrrails.html

Todd Eliason
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12/28/2009 1:06 PM Alert 

Yeah Ed, I love your Frontier as well, and it is part of my idea of a bed mounted tent. I just figured you got out of the sport now that your all Airstreamy... :) Do you still have the Frontier?  I looked for your gallery on the site to see if you had pictures but had to punt to Overlands as I know they did the same.

I almost posted the Nissan as an option but I do not know if they had the crew cab in older models.  I'm trying to get a 10YO truck to keep costs down.

 


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05 Land Rover LR3
Ed Sanman



12/28/2009 2:43 PM Alert 
Yes, we have the Airstream, but I still overland with the Nissan. I even have a new tent in transit right now - African Outback's new aluminum Technitop. It should be here this week or next, so I'll post up some images and first impressions.
Regarding the Nissan, the 1st generation Frontier did have a crew cab option. The 1st gens had rear drums, and limited slip was an option, but not an electric locker. Someday I hope to switch out my Nissan's electric locker for a much stronger ARB.
Guess I should do a photo album soon, and starting with the rooftop tent photos I was planning I'll push through and document more. The Frontier done on Overland Journal is pretty nice, but mine is different and more to my liking.
Isaac Fain



12/28/2009 4:43 PM Alert 

Todd, why not look for an FJ62?  



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Brian Rutherford



12/29/2009 7:31 AM Alert 
Posted By Todd Eliason on 12/27/2009 11:04 PM

  I'd like a second vehicle that will work in a pinch if my truck is down.

Todd


Watch out for that slippery slope. There's a Toyota dealer at the bottom of it...  :^)

Brian R


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Roger Carr



12/29/2009 7:55 AM Alert 
Tundra vs. Frontier isn't a fair frame comparison because it's built to be flexible so you can handle a bigger payload. It's frame is more like a larger 3/4 ton truck. Not to open a huge debate, but I've heard much more about the Frontier's box being more flexible than the Tacomas, at least on the the latest generation. In particular, many Frontier owners denting their cabins when the box flexes too much.

Just a benefit of a C-frame over a box however, with a box frame, all the lines that run to the rear will be exposed to the elements, while C frame give you the ability to tuck all that stuff away and protected, and keep them accesable.

Roger Carr
www.pstoc.org
05 Tacoma Dbl Cab
Todd Eliason
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12/29/2009 9:37 AM Alert 
Posted By Isaac Fain on 12/28/2009 4:43 PM

Todd, why not look for an FJ62?  




 

I love those but am looking for something a little different and multi purpose.  an FJ62 would just be like another RRC but the parts wouldn't swap.  I have so many Range Rover parts tucked away in my garage that I might as well get another one if going this route.


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05 Land Rover LR3
terrance bailey



12/29/2009 11:17 AM Alert 

just my two cents, i love my 3rd gen 4runner. it is comfortable, reliable, with the rear seats down plenty of covered storage, and it is pretty capeable. if you find one with the e-locker that is just one less mod you have to make yourself.

Nate Skate



12/29/2009 12:02 PM Alert 
Posted By Todd Eliason on 12/29/2009 9:37 AM
Posted By Isaac Fain on 12/28/2009 4:43 PM

Todd, why not look for an FJ62?  


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I love those but am looking for something a little different and multi purpose.  an FJ62 would just be like another RRC but the parts wouldn't swap.  I have so many Range Rover parts tucked away in my garage that I might as well get another one if going this route.


I love those trucks.  Massive cargo area.  Total gas oinkers though.  When gas was $4.50 I could have picked up several for between 1-2k, complete with OME suspension and other mods.  
Todd Eliason
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12/29/2009 3:14 PM Alert 
Hmmnnn,,, One could put a diesel in one of those, couldn't they? My RRC got 14mph until my diesel conversion, now I'm getting about 26. arghh, now im thinking and the goal was to get something else...

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Craig Spaeth
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12/29/2009 3:29 PM Alert 

 I have been having exactly the same thoughts. I have been directing most of my attention to the early 4 door Tacoma (I like the rounded body style and the price), the 96-97 Landcruiser with the E - locker and I have some interest in the 4 runners as well. I am really trying not to fall in love with the FJ Cruisers but that could just about take the place of my VW Double Cab and the Rover in one vehicle. The idea of crawling into a vehicle and knowing that you are going to arrive at your destination is such an attractive idea. I must be getting old.

the other Craig

Craig Spaeth
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12/29/2009 3:30 PM Alert 

 If you could get a diesel FJ Cruiser with a pop top like the Westfalia campers, I would be in real trouble.

the other Craig

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