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Dan Cronin
Moderator
 | | 03/17/2010 12:15 PM |
 Alert | Posted By Ben Bailey on 03/17/2010 7:54 AM
I'd love to see more photos of your old truck. If you ever get around to putting them online, or if we ever meet up again, you'll have to bring an album.
You may need a new vanity plate on your other vehicle: BULLITT I have all the restoration pics in an album. | |
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| Andy Berglund
| | 03/17/2010 1:09 PM |
Alert | Posted By Dan Cronin on 03/17/2010 12:14 PM
The $15k included the vehicle price of $3k. New engine, transmission, leaf springs, shocks, all new interior, paint, tires, rims powder coated, electrics, window tracks, rear cross member cut off and new one welded on, all hardware, electronic ignition, etc....
Don't forget the hair styling/maintenance products, et al.
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| Craig Miller
Title Sponsor
| | 03/17/2010 2:01 PM |
Alert | Ben,
I'd say, save your pennies and have Shipman do it, or buy one already restored. Why? Because you've mentioned several times about how you are looking forward to being done with school so you can spend more time getting out with the Rover and your family. This project is going to be a HUGE time sink. Unless your son is 15, you won't be able to spend a lot of this time with him. So, as your friend I'd encourage you to either put the project off for a decade, have someone else do it, or find some other way to get into a vehicle that let's you tinker with it but doesn't require you to live for it every day.
Craig
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| Scott Williams
Member Sponsor
| | 03/17/2010 2:18 PM |
Alert | "Ben,
I'd say, save your pennies and have Shipman do it, or buy one already restored. Why? Because you've mentioned several times about how you are looking forward to being done with school so you can spend more time getting out with the Rover and your family. This project is going to be a HUGE time sink. Unless your son is 15, you won't be able to spend a lot of this time with him. So, as your friend I'd encourage you to either put the project off for a decade, have someone else do it, or find some other way to get into a vehicle that let's you tinker with it but doesn't require you to live for it every day.
Craig"
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"I could never work here with you guys. All I would do is sniff markers and throw things into the streets." Rick Lindgren | |
| Ben Bailey
| | 03/17/2010 3:13 PM |
Alert | Yeah, that's certainly a good point.
I like the idea of a full restoration, but I'm afraid I'll have a vehicle that is too expensive to finish, or too nice to really use in the end. A more realistic version of what I'm looking at here is a running restoration. I think I need to figure out how to plan a running restoration so that it's effective
In the mean time, I love driving the thing, and I may need to get up to Washougal in it next weekend if anyone is interested! | |
RBBailey
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| Dave Waters
| | 03/17/2010 4:59 PM |
Alert | | Hey Dan, you changed hair styles during this build? J/K ;) | |
Truck with pinstriping. | |
| Dan Cronin
Moderator
| | 03/17/2010 6:38 PM |
Alert | | Dave, I am going to beat your ass with your own hand :-) | |
Honey Badger Trainer... | |
| Dustin Morrow
Member Sponsor
| | 03/17/2010 6:51 PM |
Alert | Ben, I like your idea of a "running restoration" and I think it can be had with some planning. I know that I suffer from the "to nice to actually use disease" and I could see that potentially happening with a complete restoration if it was my rig. Someday I am going to have a Series rig....have looked at numerous over at Ship's place, but just can't get there yet financially with everything else we do. When I do though, I most likely will restore it to the place where I can still run it for what it was really intended for without fear. Anways, my two cents on the topic. If you don't get up this way this weekend let me know. When I am back from spring break I am going to take another run up out of Dougan Falls and catch the Pacific Crest Trail straight towards Mowich Butte. There is a small lava field just below the Trapper Creek Wilderness area that I want to try to discover. If that does not fly, I am going to organize that Mt. Defiance run regardless of the snow situation. Hope your project comes together. Dustin | |
2011 KLR 650, 2007 LR3, 2004 DII, 1988 RRC | |
| Dan Cronin
Moderator
| | 03/18/2010 8:32 AM |
Alert | | I attempted the running restoration, then realized it was going to wind up a half assed job. I wanted to do the restoration right, so that's why I parked it. All these things were going to have to be addressed at some point, so instead of doing the job twice, I chose to only do it once. | |
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| Ben Bailey
| | 03/18/2010 8:44 AM |
Alert | | Yeah, I'm a bit worried about the running restoration, but I'm trying to formulate a plan for doing it in specific phases so as not to redo everything every time I want to do some work on it. I think I really need to figure out what my true end goal would look like, in detail. Then I may have a better idea for how I want to do it! | |
RBBailey
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| Toby Pond
| | 03/18/2010 12:30 PM |
Alert | Is your bulkhead and breakfast rusty?
Is your frame rusty?
Has your wiring harness been butchered?
Does it pop out of any gears?
Does it smoke allot?
Does it go straight down the road?
Does it stop? Straight?
Is it still original paint?
How shinny do you want it?
Budget?
Time?
Your answers will determine if a rolling resto makes sense.
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| Dale Avery
| | 03/18/2010 5:24 PM |
Alert | I rebuilt a '73 88, pretty much from the ground up. Converted it from a SW to a canvas top. Installed a brand new Turner 2.25L and a single barrel Weber (warning: don't do a single Weber). When it was done, I kept it for about a year and sold it. A series Rover is a series Rover. No guts, eats dust, horrible gas mileage, armstrong steering, ad naseum. Been there, done that. BUT, I still like the looks of a series Rover!
The idea of putting a series body on a RRC chassis really intrigues me. If you could pay Gord'n to do it, you'd have a decent rig in the end. I don't trust Doug Shipman any further than the rusty gas can he sold me as good as new. Maybe he's changed in the past decade, I don't know. Steve and his team at British Pacific LTd were the most honest and head's up folks I worked with for parts. Rovers North came in a very close second.
Why don't you just clean up a '90's RRC and have the best of both worlds? RRC's are relatively easy to work on, very comfortable (in my opinion), nice wheelbase, excellent visibility, loads of room for a couple adults and a child or dog or two. Semi-gutless engine and poor gas mileage, but it was better than my Turner :-). And you'd get four humongous disc brakes. Once saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee up on a hoist next to my RRC. The under carriage, axles, tranny, brakes, etc., on the RRC just blew the Cherokee's setup out of the water.
I'll probably be shunned for the Shipman comments, but it's the truth. Caveat Emptor. | |
After 35+ years running on four wheels, I've gone to the dark side and am playing on two.
2002 BMW F650GS Dakar dualsport
2006 BMW R1150RT sport touring bike | |
| Ben Bailey
| | 03/18/2010 6:06 PM |
Alert | I love the RRC's and I would get a LWB again if I could. But the nice balance is struck between myself and my wife right now. She allows me to have the 88" because she appreciates it for what it is. She doesn't see the point in having the DII and a LWB, but having a DII and a Series rig is sane. I tend to agree with her, although, I also tend to think if I had the cash and the space, I would certainly have a LWB... and a perfect Series, along with a trail Series.... and....
I think I happened to get in on Doug's good side way back when I bought the Series in 2000. He's always been real good to me, given me lots of advice, good pricing, etc... I don't know anything about bad parts sold as good parts. But, I do know he actually does pick and choose his customers. I've been standing there when he flat out tells someone he doesn't want their business, even as they insisted he do the work they wanted to hire him to do, he just said no. Part of that is because he had to decide to only take Series and DI/RRC models, nothing else. But I think he just really does not like it when people come to him asking for an oil change, and he's perfectly willing to pre-judge who he wants to serve -- don't ask me why! His son Neal is more of a people person in general. Doug can be very standoffish. | |
RBBailey
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| Jay Erickson
Member Sponsor
| | 03/18/2010 7:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By Craig Miller on 03/17/2010 2:01 PM
Ben,
This project is going to be a HUGE time sink. ... as your friend I'd encourage you to either put the project off for a decade, have someone else do it, or find some other way to get into a vehicle that let's you tinker with it but doesn't require you to live for it every day.
That's some very good advice. I wish someone had said those same words to me when my Dad and I started restoring my Jeep.
It turned into such a time & money sink that we lost sight of where/when the project might end and I was only putting it back to stock shape, nothing fancy. Unless you really want to live out in your garage, every night, take Craigs advice as it'll save you a lot of misery.
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Traded in all my project vehicles for my 2009 Xterra, not an ounce of buyers remorse. | |
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